Voynich through Phonetic Irish
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(13-11-2025, 11:53 PM)Doireannjane wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.So if it's as you have written (except the hat on top of R is on center) I would type into TG, Brean or Brian or Breinn. If there are two lines for that "i" "eh" sound it's more like BRUIN, I would type in BRUIN or BREEN into TG. The fadas in Modern Irish are doing their own thing, so you do have to poke around and listen to suggestions.

All of this requires significantly more explanation before someone can repeat it. How, for instance, do I choose between Brean or Brian or Breinn? How do I make these decisions when trying to follow your method? Where are they liable to come up? This is the heart of what I've been trying to get you to explain since I first reached out to you about attempting to repeat your method.

I'm just saying, when I first started this is what I had to do. The sounds from medieval and modern Irish, not the same for every word. Same goes for spelling. Irish as it is right now is incredibly difficult phonetically, with a lot of rules. This has it's own rules on top of the rules you have to be aware of in modern Irish. What makes Teanglann amazing, is that it provides both phonetic and spelling possibilities as suggestions for narrowing down.

Let me illustrate the problem by charging ahead to using Teanglann. I put in ridhin, which you have neither confirmed nor denied was the right starting point. I get "righin · dithin · graidhin · greidhin · ride in". Of the four Irish choices, only "righin" has audio, so I guess I go with that? But it's not clear to me what I'd do if "dithin" had audio. In the same vein, despite being purportedly phonetic, we've traded a "dh" for a "gh", which are different points of articulation and I gather different phonemes.

More to the point, you found it was ráig, which bears some similiarity to "righin", but wasn't an option for me! They also bear no similarity to each other semantically or syntactically; mine is an adjective meaning tough and yours is a noun meaning a fit or a bout. I promise I'm not being obtuse, I am trying to trace out your system carefully so I don't find myself listening to a different part of the dictionary when we get to that step.

This is what you get when searching the spelling:

Both come up with:

ríd, m. (gs. ~, pl. ~eanna). 1. Reed. 2. Stuff, quality. Tá ~ ar leith san éadach sin, that cloth is of particularly fine quality. 3. Inherent quality. Tá ~ ceoil ann, he is a born singer.


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Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Doireannjane - 07-11-2025, 04:13 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 07-11-2025, 05:48 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Koen G - 07-11-2025, 05:52 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 07-11-2025, 06:54 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Mauro - 07-11-2025, 08:38 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Mauro - 07-11-2025, 09:35 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 07-11-2025, 10:13 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 08-11-2025, 12:20 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 09-11-2025, 02:27 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Rafal - 07-11-2025, 11:15 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Kaybo - 08-11-2025, 12:29 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by JoJo_Jost - 09-11-2025, 12:30 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by JoJo_Jost - 09-11-2025, 06:49 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by JoJo_Jost - 09-11-2025, 08:01 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by nablator - 09-11-2025, 07:31 PM
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RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by JoJo_Jost - 09-11-2025, 05:15 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by tavie - 09-11-2025, 08:01 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 09-11-2025, 09:45 PM
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RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Kaybo - 10-11-2025, 10:12 AM
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RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 10-11-2025, 12:04 PM
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RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 10-11-2025, 02:35 PM
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RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 10-11-2025, 04:04 PM
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RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 10-11-2025, 05:02 PM
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RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 13-11-2025, 09:04 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 13-11-2025, 07:45 PM
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RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 13-11-2025, 01:14 PM
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RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 14-11-2025, 12:03 AM
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RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Doireannjane - 14-11-2025, 12:46 AM
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RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 14-11-2025, 01:10 AM
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