13-11-2025, 11:10 PM
(13-11-2025, 09:51 PM)oshfdk wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(13-11-2025, 08:17 PM)Doireannjane wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.So, what you're doing is not in good faith. It's rude.
I can't agree. It is straightforward, yes, and it does simplify, but it's designed to highlight a point and it does a reasonably good job. Overall I see little difference between your solution and rikforto's mockup, other than yours is much more complex and evolved.
(13-11-2025, 08:17 PM)Doireannjane wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Can you use my methodology and see what you produce?
No, even though I tried. One of the most common words in the MS is chol. According to the table you posted it's r??, only the first glyph has a single unique mapping, there is no way to identify which word this could be. Another very common word is chedy. It's r?d[in], again it's absolutely unclear what this should map to.
If you wish to demonstrate your methodology, here are some of the most common words in the MS: chedy, Shedy, chol, chey, cheol, Shey, chor, dar. Each one of these appears more than a hundred times in the manuscript. If the manuscript is a phonetic representation of a language, each of these should map to some very common word. It's possible that some of them have several meanings, but at least one of the meanings should be a frequent word. What are these 8 common words, could you list them?
For the sake of comparison, here is what I get based on the notes I posted, which I've never quite gotten a straight answer on whether or not I understand the transliteration, but it's where I'm at. Because I agree there is no record of what e ought to be, these results are not wholly indeptendent because I peaked at the translations given to get "i", but this is the problem with not having a complete system.
chedy: ridhin (compare rith)
Shedy: bhidhin (compare bréidín; given l is a fada I am quite confused where the two are coming from)
chol: ra' (matches rá)
chey: riin (compare rinn)
cheol: ria' (compare reann)
Shey: bhiin (compare reann? ré? One of us has quite lost the plot, I think?)
chor: ragh, raigh, or rag ("r" is one of the more problematic letters in my notes, and I think this has something to do with how the relevant sound is rendered in Irish spelling; regardless, compare ráig and note the absence of a l to give fada)
dar: dogh, etc. (compare deoch)
So while I'm able to get in the ballpark for most, and I suspect some of the divergences are down to the system not being explicitly linked to the intricacies of Irish spelling, I still see quite a few arbitrary choices surfacing, especially unexplained fada and shifting vowels. Shey may need a second look. This is before I begin playing around with the dictionary, but before I do that, we need to all get on the same page about how to read what's actually in the manuscript.


