10-11-2025, 01:31 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-11-2025, 01:47 AM by Doireannjane.)
(09-11-2025, 09:45 PM)rikforto wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(09-11-2025, 09:16 PM)Doireannjane wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'm posting several of my TikToks this afternoon to youtube so they're easily accessible. The proper more involved lessons will be up later tonight. I'll probably get rid of the quick posts I did yesterday. The first video from TikTok I posted goes over how I'm sounding out a word and searching for it on Teanglann(linked below) There is no cherry picking. I'm searching and the first word or a suggestion that's phonetically adjacent is there. These words I then check with an etymology dictionary to ensure they were around in 1400s. It is shockingly easy/simple. Someone mentioned that here actually haha, I don't disagree. It is incredibly simple.
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Three things so far: First, from this I don't see how to get the phonetic reading. (How do you deal with Voynichese's famously odd letter ordering?) Second, despite your claims, you do choose a dictionary entry, that is what is literally happening at ~1:52. In order for someone to replicate this, you will need to explain how you determined phonetic closeness here. Finally, I have serious reservations about the translation. "Tender maidens shelter little throng gossamer in spot of ground basin in little ford a small space of time gives what is needed" is, to put it mildly, gibberish. I will admit to not knowing Irish so I will have to defer if you've got speakers saying that's a well-formed Irish sentence in need of a colloquial translation, but I do have some formal linguistics behind me when I say those are very odd constructions for a European language! From what I can see, this looks a lot like the Turkish solution so far
Thanks for this. This is not like the Turkish solution (although I haven't seen or read much of it)
The order of Irish sentences are particularly different from English, it's VSO. Above that is the literal translation WITHOUT embellishments nor any reordering nor punctuation to fit closer to English (although ordering from Tain Bo is significantly different from Modern Irish) To fit something English oriented the sentence words would have to be reordered. In my process I don't do that until the last step. It would likely be closer to:
Tender Maiden's (this is possessive) shelter (in or a implied) little throng gossamer in a spot in the ground. Basin in little ford, a small space of time. What is needed is given
I don't go over all the phonetics in the short video, but what I've done is listened to the three dialects for everything since I started. I know what sounds can be constructed using the same glyphs, differing glyphs or combinations of glyphs. My sounding is not entirely accurate but we don't know how Medieval Irish sounded or what dialect this was written phonetically in. From Tain Bo you can see that the text is phonetically the same using MODERN Irish. It is just like that game Guess the Gibberish where you get a sentence of gibberish to read out loud and everyone hears the sentence but you because you're seeing gibberish but it's written phonetically comparably.
This has taken a long time to sort out. It started organically and again, the glyphs are logical and connected visually to the alphabets I mention.
