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[Linda]

Whether or not I agree with your theory about the text, I think the writings of Sacrobosco are certainly something that keeps coming up in relation to Voynich imagery, and I wouldn't be surprised if there was indeed some connection there.

I agree with that statement. 

For that reason see no need for star tubes in order for stars to come to earth, you only need a turning sphere, doesnt even matter if it is the earth or sky that turns. 

Antonio, I am seeing it as a child, the stars turned around me from my perspective. But i didnt think tubes were involved.  As they turn, they either rise or fall onto the horizon ie it looked like they touched the earth, even though i knew they were just out of sight, since they would come back again each day, but that knowledge also told me that means they touch the earth everywhere, if you include every possible perspective, kissing the earth at everyone's horizon. That is where you get the idea of the four people standing on the earth perpendicular to each other, because you start to understand other perspectives are different from yours.

The times these happenings have occurred have been tracked and tabled for various locations. The volvelles we have been looking at did the same things with the sun and moon. These tools were time and direction keepers. 

I am trying to combine your idea with mine, not refute your idea, i would like to see it work. You said you didnt know how it worked, so i am trying to say this could be the way the volvelle idea could be involved with the star coordinate idea and not just be imaginary magical coordinates of unknown origin, based on wiggly tubes to earth, (which is kind of unsolveable and leaves your theory hanging, as far as i can see), but instead they could be real ones that give actual information, which could lead to a meaningful solution. Your theory about the stars affecting the herbs loses nothing but the tube part, instead of these, it becomes straight line coordinates of sight, ie there are your coordinates, it seems to me that the tube part of your theory is in the way of your seeing the very coordinates you predict to exist. But i could agree with it perhaps being a symbol of those coordinates, especially if obfuscation were the intention for that choice, ie to move you away from thinking of straight lines, to make it seem a more difficult calculation than simply directions and times and perspective.

Vviews, i was thinking about your purse identification, and i think it is possible to work that view in with mine too, although on the surface they don't seem to agree. A purse is for taking with you the things you need with you out in the world to get by. My identification of that same imagery are symbols that are time, direction, and astronomical location related. They are also symbols for the tools required for navigation during a journey, for instance, star and planet tables and volvelles to help with time and direction. (Caput draconis, which is what i think the red part denotes, is the ascending node, one of the types of occurrences tabled with respect to the moon, and spindels spin and point and count time and fate, and so do volvelles). 

At least, spindels point in the vms, the rest is associative with existing literature, just like we are including concepts of Sacro Bosca, and i think many other concepts are thus incorporated, was just talking about various authors mentioning Pyrrha, and the vms seems to mention her, does that pull them all in? It seems to, given the other commonalities in their conceptsö. Oresme is another example with possible reference.

I find so many of the images morph in this way, and it seems more than a function of not really knowing what it is, but instead layers of symbolism on a theme, in this case one of a journey of some length, that it would behoove one to prepare for by taking what you need to get there. A bag of tricks, so to speak. Purse vs tools, or purse with tools in it? Tubes delivering star spirit to plants, vs rivers delivering rock silt and volcano ash (and what was all initially star dust) to the plants, it can all be correlated into varying layers of explanations of the workings of our world.

I think that when perspectives start to align, it means we are heading toward the actual meaning. So, what more can we agree on, or fit together from different perspectives, to see a larger whole?