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Welcome, Guest You have to register before you can post on our site. Username/Email:    Password    Remember me Search Forums (Advanced Search) Online Users There are currently 289 online users. » 2 Member(s) | 283 Guest(s) Applebot, Bing, Google, Yandex, Mark Knowles Latest Threads List of "weird" vords Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: Mauro 6 hours ago » Replies: 25 » Views: 2,134 Month names collection / ... Forum: Marginalia Last Post: Koen G 9 hours ago » Replies: 74 » Views: 2,228 I've deciphered the Voyni... Forum: Voynich Talk Last Post: Mauro Yesterday, 02:24 PM » Replies: 7 » Views: 426 Planetary Root Assignment... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: Mauro Yesterday, 11:02 AM » Replies: 6 » Views: 236 Switch System Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: dashstofsk Yesterday, 10:23 AM » Replies: 24 » Views: 3,234 Which plaintext languages... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: Jorge_Stolfi Yesterday, 06:12 AM » Replies: 36 » Views: 3,405 Should we have a thread t... Forum: Voynich Talk Last Post: Hider 20-06-2025, 04:41 PM » Replies: 56 » Views: 10,366 Critique wanted Forum: Voynich Talk Last Post: Koen G 20-06-2025, 10:15 AM » Replies: 21 » Views: 594 Pisces (Folio 70v) and th... Forum: Astrology Last Post: R. Sale 19-06-2025, 06:17 PM » Replies: 35 » Views: 4,772 The Canary islands Forum: Provenance & history Last Post: Cile cile 19-06-2025, 02:55 AM » Replies: 12 » Views: 1,266

Syllables at the end of a line in VMS Posted by: bi3mw - 12-10-2023, 06:12 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (20) In the VMS the lines very often end so nicely that one could assume that the last words of a line could be "filler words". If this is so, the last words thus only consist of "character salad", then this could have an effect on whether syllables occur in it and, if so, whether this occurrence deviates in the frequency from other comparison texts. Therefore I counted the syllables in the last word of each line and put them in relation to the total number of lines. The value in the (latin mapped ) VMS deviates very clearly from the Italian divina commedia and the Latin Bible. I would have liked to take the Ackermann (ger) in addition, but unfortunately the text is available to me only reformatted. I would be grateful for links to other, useful comparison texts. Here are the results in detail: Dante Alighieri: La divina commedia (ita) Total letters and spaces: 530871 Total syllables: 161284 Syllable percentage: 30.381015350% Average syllables per word: 1.651214218 Total syllables in last words of lines: 34805 Average syllables per line ( last words ): 2.427296185 Part of the Bible: Latin Vulgate (lat) Total letters and spaces: 1252196 Total syllables: 397977 Syllable percentage: 31.782324812% Average syllables per word: 2.095453971 Total syllables in last words of lines: 24565 Average syllables per line ( last words ): 2.174086202 Voynich Manuscript: (alphabet mapped to latin) Total letters and spaces: 234658 Total syllables: 55220 Syllable percentage: 23.532119084% Average syllables per word: 1.457530486 Total syllables in last words of lines: 7528 Average syllables per line ( last words ): 1.442974890 The link to the code: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   Matching planet labels Posted by: oshfdk - 09-10-2023, 07:28 PM - Forum: Astronomy - Replies (145) Not sure if this belongs to Astrology or Astronomy  I've spent a few days learning about possible ways of matching planets on f67r2 and created a rather lengthy page about this. It's my first attempt writing about VMS, hope you enjoy it! There are pictures, and charts and even some computer noises  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Quick summary of the most interesting results: The chart on f67r2 has a very distinct pattern of planetary labels with a four-in-a-row sequence: 111101010100, that resembles actual astronomical or astrological charts. If this chart depicts a real astrological or astronomical configuration we can make some guesses about which label belongs to which planet, considering only where the labels are placed on the circle without trying to interpret the labels themselves. I tried recreating various astrological patterns and comparing them to f67r2 and found a good match with a partial domicile chart. After this I encountered the same pattern in 1490x - 1500x editions of De Sphere Mundi. If it's the same pattern, in Voynich manuscript it's rotated 160 degrees clockwise (putting Jupiter on top). I've also simulated real sky configurations of the XI - XV centuries and compared them to VMS and De Sphaere Mundi charts. It's possible to create potential mappings between various labels on f67r2 and astrological/astronomical concepts using this information. It's hard to put any exact probabilities on these mappings, but overall they look like an interesting venue for in-depth research. Attaching an image that shows f67r2 with the domicile planetary chart from De Sphaere Mundi put over it, and the label correspondence between two charts. Attached Files Thumbnail(s)       Book: The Manuscript by D.K. Hamlin and Hyperion Knight Posted by: merrimacga - 09-10-2023, 09:46 AM - Forum: Fiction, Comics, Films & Videos, Games & other Media - No Replies The Manuscript was independently published in May 2020 and is a humorous, romantic, historical fiction account of the creation of the Voynich Manuscript, its travels to America to Yale, a secret society trying to solve it, and an aspiring artist named Emma Novak who becomes entangled in their plotting. Amazon: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Goodreads: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Review: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   Experiment: how would you transliterate the following glyphs? Posted by: Koen G - 08-10-2023, 08:24 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (29) Below is an image of 16 numbered glyphs, all taken from the main text of the VM. All I did was isolate the glyphs from two folios which were by the same scribe, same section (I would have used one folio, but two gave me just a bit more to work with). My question is simple: how would you transliterate these glyphs? Do you draw a line somewhere? One, two, three... different ones? How do you decide between one glyph and the other? Not that I put them in a rough order evolving from one extreme to the other, but that doesn't mean they are necessarily neatly grouped per type.     Rules: * No need to use EVA, you can invent your own system if you wish. * Most importantly, the aim is not to capture every possible different stroke, but rather to represent each glyph you think is intended to be the same one by the same letter. For example, if you think glyphs 1, 2 and 3 are meant as the same letter and the rest is meant as a different letter, you can write: "A, A, A, B, B, B, B..." * DO NOT look at any websites or existing transliterations. Just use your own intuition. It doesn't matter whether you're familiar with any existing systems or not. * There is most definitely no right answer. I don't know the answer, and I'm pretty sure nobody does. I just want to find out how different people would tackle this problem. * PM me your answer. Even if you use spoiler tags here, people will peek. Please participate, because the more answers I get, the more informative this will be. I will just leave this clip from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. here to cause some confusion, no need to transcribe that.   Untitled-5 copy.jpg (Size: 11.7 KB / Downloads: 727)   Voynich MS riddle on Spanish TV Posted by: ReneZ - 08-10-2023, 01:35 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (17) A contact in Spain sent me the following picture, which appeared on a Spanish TV programme last Friday. People should identify what is the connection of each of these six images with the Voynich MS.     People may use the spoiler tags if they have the answer, or send me a message. I will not respond to each individual message but will post a summary if this happens. The person who sent me this, also gave me the name of the person in the upper left corner, which helped me a lot, but I do not know if this was also given in the programme. So I don't include it here .   Small Plant Text Labels Posted by: Mark Knowles - 07-10-2023, 05:45 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (9) I am interested in the labels next to the small plants which I intend to use in conjunction with the matching information for textual comparison. So, for example, to compare the text against a root with the matching text against a leaf. I think there is also some scope for comparing herbal paragragh text with the labels of matching small plants. In addition comparison with small plant paragraph text may be of interest.   Possible authorship: Crux of Telcz? Posted by: Chagcharan - 04-10-2023, 01:39 PM - Forum: Provenance & history - Replies (5) Hey. So this came to me as a bit of a surprise and got me quite excited - though it may still be a bit of a long-shot ---- I was recently visiting an exhibition in the Town of Třeboň called "You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.". It displays several manuscripts written by a medieval Czech scribe called Kříž z Telče (Crux de Telcz/Cross of Telč) who lived in 1434-1504,  he was a prolific writer on a very wide range of topics including medicine, astronomy, religion, law, alchemy etc. What caught my attention was the sometimes close resemblance of his style and drawings to those of the voynich manuscript. Moreover, the timeframe (granted Crux lived a little later than the radiocarbon dating of the voynich suggests, but I think it's easily possible that he could have used parchment that was some thirty or so years old) and also the location of origin - Bohemia - seem to line up quite well with what we know about the Voynich. You can check out for instance folio 176r - 200v of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.manuscript. And here are some examples: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.     Attached Files Thumbnail(s)                       [split] University of Vienna Voynich Manuscript seminar Posted by: bi3mw - 03-10-2023, 10:31 AM - Forum: News - Replies (23) Interest in the VMS at universities seems to continue. The University of Vienna, for example, is offering a seminar on the topic in the winter semester of 2023. Lecturer is Dr. Martina Pippal (art historian). You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   Ordering large-plant bifolios in accordance with pharma section? Posted by: Koen G - 02-10-2023, 08:21 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (4) I'm making a separate thread specifically fot this question, since in Mark's thread a lot is being handled at once. This is the question I personally find the most fascinating right now, though others are of course welcome to explore different facets (e.g. label matching) in the other thread or a separate one. A first thing I have noticed (probably been noticed before) is that the following bifolios could be nested, from outside to inside: 1-8 37-36 18-23 47-42 This would result in a lot of the strongest, most obvious resemblances from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. to be somewhat grouped together: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (I think this may have been a new discovery by Mark) - f37v - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. follows without clear match - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. without clear match - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. without clear match - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. - then the rest follows without clear match: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. All of these bifolios are Herbal A, scribe 1. This suggests that the later ones are indeed out of place. The suggested nesting would bring a large amount of recurring roots together with just a few other plants in between.  It is possible that more bifolios should be nested. In Q20 it went up to 7, apparently. I'm still puzzling further, juggling these bifolios requires quite a bit of concentration. I am not sure if this will lead to anything else, or if it's all a coincidence, but the fact that they can be grouped and this action pulls back some wayward Herbal A folios is a bit encouraging. Link to our Drive doc for easy access: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   Italian cloudbands Posted by: R. Sale - 02-10-2023, 07:52 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (7) Investigations of historical use of the illustrated cloudband (Wolkenband) as an artistic element have opened new aspects in VMs research, and the VMs examples in particular either use or are based on the pattern of a nebuly line. Italy is a location favored by various investigators as a probable place of origin for the VMs. What is the evidence for cloudbands in Italian art? Here is a small sample of illustrated sources and there is *nothing* line a nebuly line among them. Meanwhile there is evidence of another interesting 'cosmic boundary' phenomenon, which would be the "golden rays" version. Also showing the 'plain line' version of a cosmic boundary, where the comparable Harley 334 is also a later example. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Are there Italian examples of cosmic boundaries that use a nebuly line pattern before 1450? First Previous Next Last