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Krakow and nearby Posted by: Anton - 25-05-2019, 01:37 AM - Forum: Codicology and Paleography - Replies (7) Recently I began to pay attention to the region of what is now southern Poland - around Czestochova, Katowice and Krakow, this not in the least part induced by that guy Wroblicius having originated from Mstow and later settled in Krakow which was one of the scientific centres of the time. Occasionally I stumbled upon this You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. about the work "Algorismus Minituarum" by Marcin Król, the famous Polish 15th c. scientist. This paper reproduces some pages of BJ 1927 (Jagellonian Library, Krakow) which (as the notes tell us) is a contemporary copy produced by Jan z Olkusza (Jan from Olkusz, that being some 40km from Krakow) - who, as I understand, was a mathematician and astronomer himself, and it is said that the Jagellonian Library holds his 1444 copy of Euclid. Unfortunately, no scans of his manuscripts seem to be available on the net. However, I very much like the writing style. He seems to use several styles for some letters, but some "h", "l", "p", "t", "b", "g" are quite close to what we have in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. marginalia, this let alone the long tail "s" and "f" (see fig. 1 and fig.6 in particular), and the "d" which in some places tends to what we find in "oladabas". Also, I like the decorations surrounding the capital "M", similar to those that sometimes surround the gallows. This is clearly not the hand of the Voynich marginalia, but the style may be suggestive?! So I wonder if there is some writing style or school which is characteristic to the 1st half of 15th c. and the whereabouts of Krakow?   Anton Alipov on the Voynich Manuscript and the Voynich Ninja Posted by: Anton - 24-05-2019, 07:48 PM - Forum: News - Replies (9) I've been recently interviewed by You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., and today the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. was published. I apologize that I do not present any solution, but may I be excused by the plain fact that I don't have one. The interview is published in Russian so far, but I'm told that it will be translated into English, French and Catalan. I will bump this thread up when that happens. Meanwhile Google translator produces a somewhat clumsy (many proper nouns are distorted, in particular), but overall so-so readable, translation. A question may arise why we do not discuss the recent Dr. Cheshire's solution - no hidden agenda in that, just the interview took place a few days before that.   Voynich at Histocrypt, June 23-25, Belgium Posted by: proto57 - 24-05-2019, 01:26 PM - Forum: News - Replies (23) For those able to attend, don't forget about the upcoming HistoCrypt Cipher Conference in Mons, Belgium. It will be June 23 through 26th. The programme and information, including suggestions of accommodations, are now up on the site: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Unfortunately there won't be a dedicated Voynich segment, but close to it: René Zandbergen and Guisseppe Bianchi will be "representing" the Voynich Manuscript between about 11:30AM and 12:30PM on Tuesday the 25th. If it were closer to me I would attend, but I am in the USA of course (and my paper was rejected, so I won't be speaking). For those in Europe it may very well be worth it, not only for the Voynich talks, but of course for the other interesting historical cipher discussions. And you never know when the knowledge of some area of cipher will pay off in the VMs arena, too... If anyone from the Ninja's does attend, I'm sure everyone would love a synopsis of the event. Rich SantaColoma.   The Tepenecz signature in book no. 4: a concern Posted by: Kestrel - 18-05-2019, 04:47 PM - Forum: Provenance & history - Replies (21) Hello everyone, I have a major concern in relation to "Jacobj à Tepenecz No 4" inscription in the copy of the 1553 Dialecta Aristotelis held by the Czech National Library, as discussed on Rene's You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. I haven't seen this issue addressed anywhere, and would be interested in your thoughts. My concern doesn't relate to the signature itself, but rather to the "No 4" that follows it. There are two strokes through it, in contrast to the "No 7" and "No 18" in two of the other signed items, both of which have a single stroke. Photos of the Tepenecz signature on the Voynich Manuscript (f1r) certainly give an initial impression that the signature is followed by a "No" with two lines through it. However, examination of the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. reveals that the lower line is merely an optical illusion. The eye joins up the lower left portion of the single stroke (to the right of the letter "N"), with two blobs of ink on the letter "N" itself, and finally with "o" to the right, to create the appearance of a second line. But there is, in fact, no continuous line of ink. There is only one through stroke. In other words, "Jacobj à Tepenecz No 4" reproduces a feature of the Voynich Manuscript signature that isn't really there. I find this disconcerting. Another obvious discrepancy is that "No 7" and "No 18" (both clearly genuine) are followed by a dot, whereas "No 4" is not. Also (although this is subjective opinion) I feel that "No 4," with its laborious double lines, looks very contrived in comparison to "No 7" and "No 18," with their natural, free-flowing single strokes.   [split] f16r Posted by: Monica Yokubinas - 14-05-2019, 12:13 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (15) (13-05-2019, 10:40 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.So what we are seeing could be two monks who are being encouraged to celibacy by this plant. It would be interesting to find out more about this belief. In fact, it makes sense that two heads are drawn. Like testicles. chaste tree or monks pepper is found on page You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and was used to stop those pesky urges. lol.  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   9 rosette castle location Posted by: Monica Yokubinas - 13-05-2019, 08:33 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (3) The 9 rosette folio castle depiction with mountain and waterways (3rd circle top) is very similar to the hill top Castle of Nafpaktos in Greece. They also found a Turkish bath house during excavtions.  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. including the wall and tower at the end of the long wall to the harbor You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Some pictures still show the V shaped walls that have not crumbled.   The top left hand loop of the gallows characters is a 4. Who disagrees? Posted by: Mark Knowles - 13-05-2019, 07:23 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (145) I am completely convinced that the top left hand loop of the gallows characters is a "4" rather than a "q", but I am intrigued as to how much disagreement there is in this.(There could in theory be some isolated exceptions to this I suppose, but overall it seems pretty clear to me.) This seems an important point in the context of the Voynich script and its origins whether it is "q" or a "4". Also it makes it have something in common with the "4o" character. A "4" would be very consistent with diplomatic cipher alphabets and not with for example the glagolitic alphabet where a "q" shape would be more consistent. I have an idea as to how this can be demostrated, but it would be worth knowing the extent of the disagreement to this before proceeding.   f33r Posted by: -JKP- - 13-05-2019, 03:14 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (45) Okay, it took me 3 hours to gather all the pictures. Unfortunately, many of the better ones were on the stock photo sites, so I can't use those, and it took a long time to find others, but there were enough on Wikipedia to get the idea across. I still have to paste them into a chart and label the chart, but as soon as I've done that I will add it to my 33r blog and make it live again. I'll drop a note when I'm done (I might take a break and have dinner in between).   Text layout at the bottom of 75v Posted by: VViews - 10-05-2019, 02:33 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (17) Hi everyone, here are some questions I can't make up my mind about. What exactly is going on with the text layout at the bottom of f75v? Here's the part I'm referring to: A paragraph begins with a pretty standard big gallows and "Por shey okain chedy kol sheol olchedy"... but after the seventh word the line is broken off. Where does the text continue? To the right of the pool (kolkedy...) or to the left? If to the left, which words are the continuation of that line, and which ones are labels? What about the words in the three short lines in the bottom left corner: okedy qeky tedar oly solchedy solkedy qokeedy qokol olkol Are these considered as a standalone mini paragraph or are they the beginning of three lines of text that continue to the right of the pool? Also, Voynichese.com's identification of some of the words to the left of the pool here as labels, but not all, is confusing. Why are otal, opal, okeey and lol not counted as labels, when olol, to my eyes not different, is counted as  a label? How did Voynichese.com determine which ones of these words are labels or not? There are probably no definitive answers, but I'm interested in hearing what you guys think about these questions.   VMS = The “BOOK OF DUNSTAN” Posted by: Wladimir D - 09-05-2019, 11:03 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (11) I think that it was not for nothing that I spent 5 hours of my life studying the work at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. . I learned a lot of new things historically about Dee and Kelly.  Renee, what is your opinion on the history of events? The original proposal for the appointment of “o” zero (regulatory) symbol. But there are a number of questions to the author. Surprisingly, the translation of the word daiin is the same for me and the author - plant!             First Previous Next Last