The Voynich Ninja

Is it just me, or are these wild "I've solved it but I have to keep my brilliance a secret" claims getting noticably more frequent lately?

(13-04-2025, 10:55 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I wish i knew how to operate in a forum, thank you for the link, it's what I have :-)

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[quote="asteckley" pid='65657' dateline='1744538573']
Is it just me, or are these wild "I've solved it but I have to keep my brilliance a secret" claims getting noticably more frequent lately?

Anyone who says they have solved it is going to be subjected to this I'm sure...it's not a secret it's just for obvious reasons I can't give it out right now, once I do that it's game over for me, what would you do in my position?

(13-04-2025, 10:59 AM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(13-04-2025, 10:53 AM)Kris1212 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[quote="oshfdk" pid='65653' dateline='1744537451']
How good is your Latin? Can you translate these two phrases from Latin without using automated translation services?

I'm sorry but I'm not answering this, you don't know my code, system or language and this isn't relevant :-)

You mentioned Latin yourself. If you cannot read Latin and rely on automated Latin to English translation, then it's possible your method produces Latin-like gibberish instead of proper Latin.
As I said, I'm not answering this...it's irrelevant, you don't know what I'm doing or how my decode works, you are only assuming and your assumption is wrong :-)

(13-04-2025, 11:02 AM)asteckley Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Is it just me, or are these wild "I've solved it but I have to keep my brilliance a secret" claims getting noticably more frequent lately?

Maybe. The last two cases that I remember were on Reddit and Tiktok, trying hard to hype their solutions and build expectations by talking a lot without saying anything specific about their methods or results.

It is a good thing that solvers still want to publish papers the old-fashioned way like Kris1212. The younger generation prefers to gather followers (and paid subscriptions) on video sites and social media. The guy on Reddit recorded a video that attempted to explain something. Nobody understood what, maybe because of the broken English or because it was intentional, so diluted and unspecific that it was impossible to guess what it meant. There was a more "successful" attempt a few months ago, by a young American mom who was trending on Tiktok, exchanging feelings with her many followers and promising revelations. It became cult-like, secretive and finally disappeared from public view. I suppose it continued in private: of course you can't talk about the big conspiracy (Dan Brown level++) behind the VM in public.

Things I can tell you, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is different to the other pages, it's like an introduction, it tells you what the book is about, it's not written for other people, it's written for the writer. It's a book that was used regularly. On the page with the women in the green water, this isn't water it's sap from the plants...that's all for now

(13-04-2025, 11:02 AM)asteckley Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Is it just me, or are these wild "I've solved it but I have to keep my brilliance a secret" claims getting noticably more frequent lately?

It comes in waves, but we are certainly going through one right now. 

As a forum moderator, of course I think about how to best deal with this. My current approach is to manage expectations: we've seen this before, people tend to react like you do when they think they solved it, usually there are issues... 

But you also don't want to cause unnecessary offense. Maybe there are people who actually discovered something about the MS but genuinely fear having their ideas stolen. It doesn't work like that, but I understand someone may feel like this when they're new.

Or maybe, through their interest, they might surpass their theory and become dedicated researchers. This is probably rare, but it does happen from time to time.

Kris: in your position I would do what nablator recommended, which is first have your method checked by some Voynich researchers. The University is not going to help you with that, they categorically refuse all those requests (they'd need to hire someone specifically to process their Voynich mail). 

Academic researchers like Claire Bowern are often quite busy and won't have time. Lisa Fagin Davis usually avoids judging text solutions. Your best bet is to contact someone on the forum. I can't speak for other people's availability, but I'd be willing to take a look, and I'm sure there are others as well. If I or anyone else were to steal your theory, our reputation would be ruined forever and we'd be internationally known as attempted plagiarists.

(13-04-2025, 11:13 AM)Kris1212 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Anyone who says they have solved it is going to be subjected to this I'm sure...it's not a secret it's just for obvious reasons I can't give it out right now, once I do that it's game over for me, what would you do in my position?

There are numerous ways to indicate you have found a "solution" without giving away details but still providing a modicum of confidence that yours is something more than the many dozens of delusional claims of the last century. 

For example, with roughly 35,000 words in the manuscript, you could state only the English translation of a few randomly picked sentences or phrases without divulging which phrases or their locations. It would be virtually impossible to identify which Voynichese content you are describing, yet it would give us all a sense of the prose and style of the manuscript's content and it would secure the fact that you discovered the solution as of the current date since your translated phrases would match the results in your full manuscript translation, once published.

And besides, the more you divulge on a public forum such as this, the more secure your claim to the solution becomes anyway.

(13-04-2025, 11:36 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[quote="asteckley" pid='65657' dateline='1744538573']
Is it just me, or are these wild "I've solved it but I have to keep my brilliance a secret" claims getting noticably more frequent lately?

Ok, I'd be willing to show anyone who is clearly a researcher of this and I will send them an NDA then you can check it but you can't talk about any part of it without my permission...I don't know what else to do, I have to protect my decode

(13-04-2025, 11:42 AM)asteckley Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(13-04-2025, 11:13 AM)Kris1212 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Anyone who says they have solved it is going to be subjected to this I'm sure...it's not a secret it's just for obvious reasons I can't give it out right now, once I do that it's game over for me, what would you do in my position?

There are numerous ways to indicate you have found a "solution" without giving away details but still providing a modicum of confidence that yours is something more than the many dozens of delusional claims of the last century. 

For example, with roughly 35,000 words in the manuscript, you could state only the English translation of a few randomly picked sentences or phrases without divulging which phrases or their locations. It would be virtually impossible to identify which Voynichese content you are describing, yet it would give us all a sense of the prose and style of the manuscript's content and it would secure the fact that you discovered the solution as of the current date since your translated phrases would match the results in your full manuscript translation, once published.

And besides, the more you divulge on a public forum such as this, the more secure your claim to the solution becomes anyway.

I'm sorry but no

I've been reading along for a while now.
I've been doing this for over 15 years now. Sentences like these ....
‘ i am confident i have it decoded, it works in every paragraph and every section.... It's so simple I can't share any of it, I know that sounds crazy but it's true,’
Or ......
‘Anyone who says they've solved it will feel it, I'm sure of it.... It's not a secret, it's just for obvious reasons that I can't give it now, once I do, it's game over for me, what would you do in my position?’
I've heard that XXL times. Let me give you the number 1792.
You go on to write .................
‘Things I can tell you, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is different from the other sites, it's like an introduction, it tells you what the book is about, it's not written for other people, it's written for the author. It's a book that has been used regularly. On the page with the women in the green water, that's not water, it's the sap of the plants.... That's it for now’
This is not new. I wrote this 10 years ago, and I'm sure I wasn't the first. Simply because it's logical.
And even more ..............
‘I'm sorry, but I'm not answering that, you don't know my code, my system or my language and that's not relevant’
Actually, it is relevant.
‘I know what it is, why it was written and I can read it now like English, I'm translating the whole thing as I write this into Latin and then back into English...’
Actually, you answered the question yourself. You translate it into Latin and read it like English. How does that work if you don't know Latin?

And you're a teacher?
Good advice, don't protect your code, protect yourself.

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