I'm not arguing any solution, just going to keep decoding folio after folio of fully decoded pages that link to the images and make total sense following the same pattern that anyone can test. Twitter/Facebook/Instagram/Medium/Academia every folio, one a day, unless a big page then might take me 2 :-)
As for the probabilities you list in the follow-up, the issue is the same. You need to
justify the concordance between the supposed charts in the manuscript, historical charts you say existed in practice, and the plant (or human, as the case may be) drawings you have asserted before they can be said to be the correct ones. Knowing that an LLM generated that analysis explains a good deal; for instance, why there is no "
Visual-textual correspondence" in the information that follows that header. Nothing in your decryption, even in free-form translation which introduced terms not in your key, of You are not allowed to view links.
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if you simply justify the claims I have been asking you to and repeated in more detail above.
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First, who are you? You just joined here a few days ago, first comment was on my post, if you are a serious researcher and are genuinely interested in my work then pm me, I'll google meet with you show you from the very start, I have nothing to hide, my code has been on this platform since April, in fact one of the moderators here was the first to look at it. Your have to go back to the very first paper. And.......I don't have to justify anything to anybody :-) I presume you haven't been in the google drive or you'd see the paper trail, you are looking at summaries...
You're engaging with a loose community with the claim of having decoded the Voynich manuscript, what is your goal if not to argue your case?
(20-10-2025, 07:22 PM)igajkgko Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You're engaging with a loose community with the claim of having decoded the Voynich manuscript, what is your goal if not to argue your case?
I dont need to argue it, it works on every page and I'm here showing that, who's going to argue with me about it, who else knows it and what it really means. Anyone else with a code that works throughout, every page, one after the other........nope :-) I'll talk about it to anyone who's genuinely interested, I haven't seen much of all that at all in here, have you seen this post from the beginning?
(20-10-2025, 07:35 PM)Kris1212 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'll talk about it to anyone who's genuinely interested, I haven't seen much of all that at all in here.
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Quote:Not even wrong refers to any statement, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., or explanation that can be neither correct nor incorrect, because it fails to meet the criteria by which correctness and incorrectness are determined.
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Quote:A correct argument or explanation is easy to spot; it may look like this:
“” 2 + 2 = 4
A wrong argument has an incorrect conclusion, but is presented in such a way that we can evaluate it, like so:
“” 2 + 2 = 24
The above two examples can be shown to be right and wrong; they at least make enough sense for us to spot where the error is, or the logic leading to the error. Something that is not even wrong is usually so far out of the ballpark or so far from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. that it is, quite simply, flabbergastingly irrelevant. For example:
“” 2 + ( Zebra + Glockenspiel π A Suffusion of Yellow ) * Quantum = homeopathy works!
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(20-10-2025, 07:12 PM)Kris1212 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I presume you haven't been in the google drive or you'd see the paper trail, you are looking at summaries...
I will not be going through a background check to have my logical concerns taken seriously, but to give a sense of how defensive you are being, I previously posted a word list in the same format that you used in a tab on the Google Drive and you replied to it. If I am looking at the wrong place, you need only direct me to the correct one.
Now, I've generously allowed that I may have simply missed where you documented how, for instance, you know that EVA-i equals one hour (my question #2 above). I did have some problems with Academia, but as mentioned they were resolved yesterday with the help of another commentor on the thread, and I have read over the posts, and could not find the explanations I have requested, and my comments since then reflect that fact. As near as I can tell, the answers I am seeking are not in your Google Drive either.
If I am wrong you can simply provide me a more detailed location and I will check that part of your work again.
Up to this point I have been very careful not to make any assertions or implications of bad faith on your part. However, I cannot help but note that upon realizing I was asking for you to explain where your knowledge of typical 15th century herbal charts was coming from so that I could make the comparison you are, you wanted me to justify who I am and move to a different venue. (To be crystal clear, I only seek this information so I can verify the comparison you asserted,
not any inquiry into your knowledge or qualifications per se; were it not referenced in your paper, I wouldn't ask.) I have come to suspect, and will ask forgiveness in advance if there is some relevant passage and citation that vindicates you,that the herbal tradition you are talking about doesn't exist and that you either fabricated it or alternatively you carelessly passed on a hallucination by Claude or another LLM. Given that you were perfectly happy to make the claims about 15th century herbal practice here, and repeatedly direct me to where you published them when I asked about them, I think this, and not a video call, would be the ideal venue to clear the air around that.
If you provide evidence for this herbal tradition, I will gladly apologize. I am looking forward to finally getting to see more about this tradition you have alluded to as it sounds extremely interesting, both with respect to the VM and on its own merits.
Ok new glyph to be added to key, (like an upside down V)
Operation: Position Vessel (for gravity-assisted drainage)
Respiratory context You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. para 1 line 9 block 2 : Drain phlegm from chest/airways appears between sunrises
Urogenital context You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. para 1 line 2 block 7: Drain black bile from penile vessels appears before vital fluid (black bile on this page) is extracted
Position: Head and feet to floor, pelvis elevated
like an upside down V
I've added another tab to the key sheet for now, I'm not going back to redo f3r, these symbols that I'd marked with * are now out of query
(20-10-2025, 08:55 PM)rikforto Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (20-10-2025, 07:12 PM)Kris1212 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I presume you haven't been in the google drive or you'd see the paper trail, you are looking at summaries...
I will not be going through a background check to have my logical concerns taken seriously, but to give a sense of how defensive you are being, I previously posted a word list in the same format that you used in a tab on the Google Drive and you replied to it. If I am looking at the wrong place, you need only direct me to the correct one.
Now, I've generously allowed that I may have simply missed where you documented how, for instance, you know that EVA-i equals one hour (my question #2 above). I did have some problems with Academia, but as mentioned they were resolved yesterday with the help of another commentor on the thread, and I have read over the posts, and could not find the explanations I have requested, and my comments since then reflect that fact. As near as I can tell, the answers I am seeking are not in your Google Drive either. If I am wrong you can simply provide me a more detailed location and I will check that part of your work again.
Up to this point I have been very careful not to make any assertions or implications of bad faith on your part. However, I cannot help but note that upon realizing I was asking for you to explain where your knowledge of typical 15th century herbal charts was coming from so that I could make the comparison you are, you wanted me to justify who I am and move to a different venue. (To be crystal clear, I only seek this information so I can verify the comparison you asserted, not any inquiry into your knowledge or qualifications per se; were it not referenced in your paper, I wouldn't ask.) I have come to suspect, and will ask forgiveness in advance if there is some relevant passage and citation that vindicates you,that the herbal tradition you are talking about doesn't exist and that you either fabricated it or alternatively you carelessly passed on a hallucination by Claude or another LLM. Given that you were perfectly happy to make the claims about 15th century herbal practice here, and repeatedly direct me to where you published them when I asked about them, I think this, and not a video call, would be the ideal venue to clear the air around that.
If you provide evidence for this herbal tradition, I will gladly apologize. I am looking forward to finally getting to see more about this tradition you have alluded to as it sounds extremely interesting, both with respect to the VM and on its own merits.
The main books I am using are The canon of medicine Ibn Sina and The Trotula, for the medical humoral theory and ratio stuff, there are no visual and anatomical charts that I can find that depict vagina's and penises, they weren't drawn then so I'm having to go from modern anatomy books and then look back to see if these were known and relevant at that time. Does this answer your question? The colours on the page guide me, blue/red, male/female then which parts are red, you must turn the page, there are small nuances, one side will be bigger, colours are faded, phases are shown, you have to look, the entire book is visual. Ask me one clear question at a time and i'll do my best to answer you but please don't take me in circles, I'm really snowed under and doing all this on my own.
You say in your first paper (The Voynich Manuscript: A Full Decode) this:
Quote:The manuscript’s design mirrors 15th-century herbal charts
What are you talking about here, basically? Which charts, where are they, and how does that mirroring work?
(20-10-2025, 09:26 PM)rikforto Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You say in your first paper (The Voynich Manuscript: A Full Decode) this:
Quote:The manuscript’s design mirrors 15th-century herbal charts
What are you talking about here, basically? Which charts, where are they, and how does that mirroring work?
That was 6 months ago when I thought it was all about sap..... it was all along just different types, human, plant and the earths, I still thought all the plant pages were real then, it was only about 2 weeks ago that I worked out the colours and the diagrams, text placement first, that realisation came while I was cutting branches off trees. I had no idea then about the anatomy being depicted when I did my first paper, then it was purely from thinking sap was being used as a medicine under planetary conditions and vibrations. Then at that time it was mostly Hortus Sanitatis and Materia medica were the books I was using,