(15-04-2025, 12:12 AM)asteckley Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (14-04-2025, 11:52 PM)Kris1212 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'm not sure why you think I haven't listened to his criticism, I have and I disagree. What more can I say, if I'm wrong, I have no issue with that, none whatsoever but I won't just be told to let something be and to go back to my corner when I don't think the other person is correct. He offered to look at it for me, he did, I thanked him, I was polite, he clearly isn't happy that I want to continue on my decode path, why I'm not sure, makes no odds to him if I make myself look a fool, to none of you actually so what's the issue, not hurting any of you, just having a go and will see it through.
That's all fair enough, for sure. (I can't speak for Koen, but I can tell you that I took a little bit of offense when you implied that he had approved your solution simply because I knew that that was surely a misleading statement.)
I do understand your concern about protecting your solution (although I think you are going about it wrong). And for what it is worth, I'd be happy to look at your solution too, and give you an honest, private assessment. I just won't do it under an NDA because, having worked with IP NDA's for decades, I know it would take fair bit of time and effort to prepare one that would adequately protect both of us. You can DM me if you want to discuss that further though.
I didn't mean to imply that he had approved the decode, I just saw the good parts he had said and I knew the bad parts was because I hadn't clearly explained it, not sure why you were offended, what has it to do with you, are you married to Koen or something?...How I go about things is of no concern to you, I don't know you from Adam, and honestly you've been off with me from the start so I wouldn't want you to look at it, Koen was nice to me and that's the only reason I gave it to him but I didn't know him either hence the NDA. It didn't hurt him to sign it, it just protected me and mine in case.
(15-04-2025, 12:50 AM)pfeaster Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Wouldn't it make more sense for us all to wait to discuss this for a few days until the promised information has been published? The more we debate it now, the more time Kris1212 will have to spend on replying to our messages instead of working up a publication (and caring for rescued dogs: kudos for that). Let's give Kris1212 some breathing room. We'll know the details soon enough.
Thank you :-)
(15-04-2025, 01:01 AM)Kris1212 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.... not sure why you were offended, what has it to do with you, are you married to Koen or something?...How I go about things is of no concern to you, I don't know you from Adam, and honestly you've been off with me from the start so I wouldn't want you to look at it, Koen was nice to me and that's the only reason I gave it to him but I didn't know him either hence the NDA. It didn't hurt him to sign it, it just protected me and mine in case.
LOL, no we are not married. But I am offended when someone, who has a reputation as a reasonable and objective thinker, is misrepresented in an apparent attempt to sell an unsubstantiated theory. I'm afraid I'm not even sure what "off with me" means given that I have only commended your self-confidence in your work, and have yet to make any comments about your "solution" -- only about your illogical approach to protecting it (by avoiding simple and obvious opportunities to publicly claim it).
Good luck -- I hope your highly anticipated reveal will contribute something of value. But, I'm dubious -- virtually everything you just said adds to those red flags I mentioned.
I cannot believe it that without a word of translation being revealed, the discourse is taking 10 pages long just "You and We" discussion.
I have revealed contents of translations, and no one is persuaded to be the truth.
Now as a conclusion:
There is no routine for anybody who thinks to have interpretations and that is why every time it happens to be discussed a lot with a lot of offending hues.
My suggestion for the routine is to include without any protection rights:
1. What is the language (or languages)
2. What is the first page You are not allowed to view links.
Register or
Login to view. about it
3. Some plants recognized(without counting the violets and the water lily).
4. Some astrological table- what is it about
5. Some bathing beauties what is it about
Mind that even if you write an article for any publisher you need to reveal some of the above contents.
If the person cannot provide these answers - no need to continue.
Finally Kris1212, can YOU answer the above questions?
(15-04-2025, 05:21 AM)BessAgritianin Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I cannot believe it that without a word of translation being revealed, the discourse is taking 10 pages long just "You and We" discussion.
I have revealed contents of translations, and no one is persuaded to be the truth.
Now as a conclusion:
There is no routine for anybody who thinks to have interpretations and that is why every time it happens to be discussed a lot with a lot of offending hues.
My suggestion for the routine is to include without any protection rights:
1. What is the language (or languages)
2. What is the first page You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. about it
3. Some plants recognized(without counting the violets and the water lily).
4. Some astrological table- what is it about
5. Some bathing beauties what is it about
Mind that even if you write an article for any publisher you need to reveal some of the above contents.
If the person cannot provide these answers - no need to continue.
Finally Kris1212, can YOU answer the above questions?
1. What is the language (or languages) won't say as yet
2. What is the first page You are not allowed to view links.
Register or
Login to view. about it - it's an introduction or usage page about the book, it explains how celestial events affect plants and how powerful they are during certain times
3. Some plants recognized(without counting the violets and the water lily). I think I have mapped nettles and I think the reason why nobody has been able to name the plants is because they are shown being affected by the heavens, either absorbing celestial power, the leaves are up....or being pushed down by the force....need to look at them in a new way, very, very little is known about celestial/lunar herbalism.
4. Some astrological table- what is it about - about the planets/moon and when the right times are for herbalism
5. Some bathing beauties what is it about - haven't fully done these pages yet but it's again about when to do certain things under certain conditions, the book is about celestial herbalism. It's written as his reference book so he can remember all the information
(15-04-2025, 04:45 AM)AxolotlDoesVoynich Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (15-04-2025, 01:01 AM)Kris1212 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (15-04-2025, 12:12 AM)asteckley Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (14-04-2025, 11:52 PM)Kris1212 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'm not sure why you think I haven't listened to his criticism, I have and I disagree. What more can I say, if I'm wrong, I have no issue with that, none whatsoever but I won't just be told to let something be and to go back to my corner when I don't think the other person is correct. He offered to look at it for me, he did, I thanked him, I was polite, he clearly isn't happy that I want to continue on my decode path, why I'm not sure, makes no odds to him if I make myself look a fool, to none of you actually so what's the issue, not hurting any of you, just having a go and will see it through.
That's all fair enough, for sure. (I can't speak for Koen, but I can tell you that I took a little bit of offense when you implied that he had approved your solution simply because I knew that that was surely a misleading statement.)
I do understand your concern about protecting your solution (although I think you are going about it wrong). And for what it is worth, I'd be happy to look at your solution too, and give you an honest, private assessment. I just won't do it under an NDA because, having worked with IP NDA's for decades, I know it would take fair bit of time and effort to prepare one that would adequately protect both of us. You can DM me if you want to discuss that further though.
I didn't mean to imply that he had approved the decode, I just saw the good parts he had said and I knew the bad parts was because I hadn't clearly explained it, not sure why you were offended, what has it to do with you, are you married to Koen or something?...How I go about things is of no concern to you, I don't know you from Adam, and honestly you've been off with me from the start so I wouldn't want you to look at it, Koen was nice to me and that's the only reason I gave it to him but I didn't know him either hence the NDA. It didn't hurt him to sign it, it just protected me and mine in case.
(15-04-2025, 12:50 AM)pfeaster Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Wouldn't it make more sense for us all to wait to discuss this for a few days until the promised information has been published? The more we debate it now, the more time Kris1212 will have to spend on replying to our messages instead of working up a publication (and caring for rescued dogs: kudos for that). Let's give Kris1212 some breathing room. We'll know the details soon enough.
Thank you :-)
Can I sign an NDA?
I'm not giving it to anyone else now, it'll go up on academia in a few days.
(15-04-2025, 07:30 AM)Kris1212 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.1. What is the language (or languages) won't say as yet
2. What is the first page You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. about it - it's an introduction or usage page about the book, it explains how celestial events affect plants and how powerful they are during certain times
3. Some plants recognized(without counting the violets and the water lily). I think I have mapped nettles and I think the reason why nobody has been able to name the plants is because they are shown being affected by the heavens, either absorbing celestial power, the leaves are up....or being pushed down by the force....need to look at them in a new way, very, very little is known about celestial/lunar herbalism.
4. Some astrological table- what is it about - about the planets/moon and when the right times are for herbalism
5. Some bathing beauties what is it about - haven't fully done these pages yet but it's again about when to do certain things under certain conditions, the book is about celestial herbalism. It's written as his reference book so he can remember all the information
Why is not revealed the language, or languages. It is the first thing one states in the introduction part?
Which foil is containing the nettles according your decoding?
Can you elaborate on f67r1? It is about the moon, this does not need to be decoded , but anything about the contents?
Bathing beauties- nothing.
Since your answers do not include specific details, it is being unable to validate the truthfulness of your translation.
Sorry
(15-04-2025, 07:51 AM)BessAgritianin Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (15-04-2025, 07:30 AM)Kris1212 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.1. What is the language (or languages) won't say as yet
2. What is the first page You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. about it - it's an introduction or usage page about the book, it explains how celestial events affect plants and how powerful they are during certain times
3. Some plants recognized(without counting the violets and the water lily). I think I have mapped nettles and I think the reason why nobody has been able to name the plants is because they are shown being affected by the heavens, either absorbing celestial power, the leaves are up....or being pushed down by the force....need to look at them in a new way, very, very little is known about celestial/lunar herbalism.
4. Some astrological table- what is it about - about the planets/moon and when the right times are for herbalism
5. Some bathing beauties what is it about - haven't fully done these pages yet but it's again about when to do certain things under certain conditions, the book is about celestial herbalism. It's written as his reference book so he can remember all the information
Why is not revealed the language, or languages. It is the first thing one states in the introduction part?
Which foil is containing the nettles according your decoding?
Can you elaborate on f67r1? It is about the moon, this does not need to be decoded , but anything about the contents?
Bathing beauties- nothing.
Since your answers do not include specific details, it is being unable to validate the truthfulness of your translation.
Sorry
that's fine, i didn't need to you validate it for me, you'll be able to do so when it's online and I won't reveal anything that will reveal the decode because it's so simple
(15-04-2025, 12:50 AM)pfeaster Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Wouldn't it make more sense for us all to wait to discuss this for a few days until the promised information has been published? The more we debate it now, the more time Kris1212 will have to spend on replying to our messages instead of working up a publication (and caring for rescued dogs: kudos for that). Let's give Kris1212 some breathing room. We'll know the details soon enough.
Wise words. I will no longer reply to this thread until a publication is made, and advise others to do the same. After that, we can discuss content.
Please, could we bring this thread to an end. It is clear that we will not get anything useful from Kris1212. Honestly, I have found this discussion to be rather tedious and unrewarding. Blindly prolonging the discussion will just damage the reputation of this forum.