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RE: 100% Proof That the VMS is in a number system f49v
-JKP- > 06-11-2016, 12:18 PM
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RE: 100% Proof That the VMS is in a number system f49v
stellar > 06-11-2016, 04:10 PM
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![[Image: f49v1.png]](https://voynichnumerology.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/f49v1.png)
Why did you use the P glyphs with the double loops in your count and remove the P with the single loop (the first one at the top of the column)?
I too am frustrated about you and I believe even if I had the exact intended information for the entire VMS that you would not believe me. This VMS thing for everyone has taken so much time to understand that I think it's like everyone's little pet and they want help it grow to be there own invention or interpretation.
THE EXPLANATION FOR THE STARTING POINT:
Number 1 starts below the single ,"P loop", which would leave out the single, "P". Also 1-5 implies a counting system as a hidden code. I think the author of the VMS was giving something away here. This is great work what I did and it fully implies a number system. I agree to disagree with Thomas's assessment as I believe 71 was a fully intended vord at the beginning of that voynich sentence.
You are wrong about sample's as this is part of my theory. It is common to include a sample of confidence where data is implied for information analysis. The odds that I'm incorrect about my theory using numbers has diminished immensely.
My two sample's still hold up over scrutiny from Thomas and WitchMountain. -
RE: 100% Proof That the VMS is in a number system f49v
Koen G > 06-11-2016, 06:37 PM
Stellar, JKP does have a valid point that a confidence level does not apply for this kind of count. If the system works the way you say it does, the math should be exact. -
RE: 100% Proof That the VMS is in a number system f49v
ThomasCoon > 06-11-2016, 07:25 PM
(06-11-2016, 04:10 PM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I agree to disagree with Thomas's assessment as I believe 71 was a fully intended vord at the beginning of that voynich sentence.
The only reason I mentioned word 71 is because there is objectively more space between its two parts than there is between clusters labeled as separate words (ex. 126-127 and 102-103), so I was just curious why it was counted as only one word. That's all
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RE: The percentages
ThomasCoon > 07-11-2016, 03:59 PM
Alright Stellar, I'm sorry for the long wait. Here are all 12 signs. Only one of the names is not German (Piscis - a valid and grammatical form of the word "Pisces" in Latin).
What I'm trying to prove with this image:
It's not surprising that your numerology fits each Zodiac sign - it's actually normal and inevitable. Let's say that you can't fit the standard word for "Gemini" in German or Welsh: you can then try "twin" "twins" "twin-brothers", "brothers", "siblings", and so on. Eventually, something will equal the number that you already know you need. When you see that you need 1 or a 6 or a 9, you can just go through all the possible related words, singulars and plurals, and alternate spellings (John vs. Iuan vs. Ieuan) until you finally get a match. Does that make sense? -
RE: The percentages
stellar > 07-11-2016, 10:58 PM
(07-11-2016, 03:59 PM)ThomasCoon Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Alright Stellar, I'm sorry for the long wait. Here are all 12 signs. Only one of the names is not German (Piscis - a valid and grammatical form of the word "Pisces" in Latin).
Thomas,
What I'm trying to prove with this image:
It's not surprising that your numerology fits each Zodiac sign - it's actually normal and inevitable. Let's say that you can't fit the standard word for "Gemini" in German or Welsh: you can then try "twin" "twins" "twin-brothers", "brothers", "siblings", and so on. Eventually, something will equal the number that you already know you need. When you see that you need 1 or a 6 or a 9, you can just go through all the possible related words, singulars and plurals, and alternate spellings (John vs. Iuan vs. Ieuan) until you finally get a match. Does that make sense?
I actually appreciated your knowledge when you corrected my error with the letter, "S" in latin. Now you can do far better then this for proving me wrong!
(Vidder) is not a word for RAM or Aries in German:
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(Wassermaeniner) is not a word for Water Man or Aquarius nor a German word:
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Jungefrou has to = 9 not 8
Cannot use Zwillingsbaby, because it does not make sense and I already allotted one word outside of German that being Piscis in Latin.
(Skorpius) is not a German word:
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(Bogenschuetzen) is not a German word for, "shooter". {Prove this other wise}
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![[Image: vonich-zodiac.jpg]](https://voynichnumerology.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/vonich-zodiac.jpg)
I'm using 11 words for the Zodiac in Welsh:
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Pythagorean letter and number counter:
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RE: 100% Proof That the VMS is in a number system f49v
stellar > 08-11-2016, 12:09 AM
(06-11-2016, 07:50 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(05-11-2016, 10:41 PM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(05-11-2016, 10:26 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I counted the vords in each chunk and they do not match the number of vords you have listed on the right.
JKP,
How much are you off by and which folio are you referring too. Science uses a a 95% confidence and my count would be within that range.
Stellar, science says that if there are 50 words, then there are 50 words. You don't use 95% confidence level to excuse sloppiness. Confidence levels are used for counting things for which there is not an exact count. A short paragraph of less than 100 words with pretty clear spaces, in this instance, has an exact count. Too many of yours are off to excuse them.
I always have the impression you rush headlong through things without checking them. And then you excuse your own haste by bringing up confidence levels where they don't apply, instead of re-checking your counts.
Do yourself a favor. Set a higher standard. You will receive much more attention and consideration for your ideas if you double-check them. We all have limited time and I'm near the end of my patience. If my patience runs out I won't bother reading your posts any more. For the record, I am more patient (much more patient) than most people I know.
Jkp,
For your info its 156 vords according to my assertion. Spacing can be associated with the subjectivity, therefore a confidence level is needed. Not all voynichero's will agree with the same counts. -
RE: The percentages
ThomasCoon > 08-11-2016, 01:27 AM
Hi Tom,- The German word for "Aquarius" is "Wassermann". The plural is "Wassermänner" or "Wassermaenner". Both are acceptable written forms. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is the entry in a German dictionary: "NOUN der Wassermann | die Wassermänner." Since you used plural for "Lions", I will use the plural form of Wassermann.
- "Zwillingsbaby" is a German term for "Twin-child". You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is an entry in a German dictionary.
- "Skorpius" was used in Medieval German documents. -JKP- confirms this. I don't have any examples on my computer, maybe he can supply some if he has them?
- "Bogenschütze" means "Archer" in German (literally Bow-shooter) and Bogenschützen is a form of that word - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is a dictionary page that shows both. Since "ü" in German can and has been written as "ue" since the Middle Ages (both forms are completely acceptable), I opted for "ue".
- You're right that I made a mistake with "jungefrou", but there were about 8 different ways to spell that word alone in Middle German (frou, frau, frowe, froue etc.), so I could find a replacement easily.
- The German word for "Aquarius" is "Wassermann". The plural is "Wassermänner" or "Wassermaenner". Both are acceptable written forms. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is the entry in a German dictionary: "NOUN der Wassermann | die Wassermänner." Since you used plural for "Lions", I will use the plural form of Wassermann.
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RE: The percentages
Witch Mountain > 08-11-2016, 01:28 AM
Most dear Stellar, I note interestingly that you did not answer a key point of dear Thomas' post displayed below. Could you tell us what you think of this? Many and many thanks!
(07-11-2016, 03:59 PM)ThomasCoon Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It's not surprising that your numerology fits each Zodiac sign - it's actually normal and inevitable. Let's say that you can't fit the standard word for "Gemini" in German or Welsh: you can then try "twin" "twins" "twin-brothers", "brothers", "siblings", and so on. Eventually, something will equal the number that you already know you need. When you see that you need 1 or a 6 or a 9, you can just go through all the possible related words, singulars and plurals, and alternate spellings (John vs. Iuan vs. Ieuan) until you finally get a match. Does that make sense?