stellar > 20-09-2016, 03:29 PM
julian > 20-09-2016, 09:50 PM
stellar > 20-09-2016, 11:31 PM
(20-09-2016, 09:50 PM)julian Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Do I understand this correctly: you convert each Voynich word to a single number, and then find a plaintext Welsh word that has the same number and call it a match? If so, the scheme seems almost completely subjective, thus I must be missing something?
stellar > 21-09-2016, 04:01 AM
(20-09-2016, 09:50 PM)julian Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Do I understand this correctly: you convert each Voynich word to a single number, and then find a plaintext Welsh word that has the same number and call it a match? If so, the scheme seems almost completely subjective, thus I must be missing something?
farmerjohn > 21-09-2016, 12:50 PM
stellar > 21-09-2016, 04:25 PM
(21-09-2016, 12:50 PM)farmerjohn Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.stellar, that's absolutely speculative, but I doubt that we will find names for constellations, stars, zodiacs in VMS (except for obvious ones, such as moon or sun). I also think that author's principle could be "the picture of the object is its name", that's why there is no text near zodiac pictures. I even can imagine situation when there is no name of the plant on a page with that plant, and labels in the manuscript are not names, but rather properties of objects drawn.
-JKP- > 21-09-2016, 05:37 PM
(21-09-2016, 04:25 PM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(21-09-2016, 12:50 PM)farmerjohn Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.stellar, that's absolutely speculative, but I doubt that we will find names for constellations, stars, zodiacs in VMS (except for obvious ones, such as moon or sun). I also think that author's principle could be "the picture of the object is its name", that's why there is no text near zodiac pictures. I even can imagine situation when there is no name of the plant on a page with that plant, and labels in the manuscript are not names, but rather properties of objects drawn.
I don't follow you correctly enough. Through out the 12 diagrams of the Zodiac with the Nymphs is that what you are referring to? There is a system to my method. Check out this image of the Pleiade.
stellar > 21-09-2016, 07:23 PM
(21-09-2016, 05:37 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(21-09-2016, 04:25 PM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(21-09-2016, 12:50 PM)farmerjohn Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.stellar, that's absolutely speculative, but I doubt that we will find names for constellations, stars, zodiacs in VMS (except for obvious ones, such as moon or sun). I also think that author's principle could be "the picture of the object is its name", that's why there is no text near zodiac pictures. I even can imagine situation when there is no name of the plant on a page with that plant, and labels in the manuscript are not names, but rather properties of objects drawn.
I don't follow you correctly enough. Through out the 12 diagrams of the Zodiac with the Nymphs is that what you are referring to? There is a system to my method. Check out this image of the Pleiade.
Stellar, I doubt if that's a "4" glyph in 8oar9. There's no definite descender and it's positioned differently from every other "4" in the manuscript, which means the number has to be changed.
Also, how do you justify the interpretation of Pleiades? I know it's been suggested by others, but there's no proof yet and there are other constellations that are represented by seven stars, and our solar system (moon, sun, earth, and four planets) was represented with seven in those days. Also, you didn't interpret the same word-token to be Taurus as others which means you need to explain your choice.
Quote:You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.zodiac constellation, late Old English, from Latin taurus "bull, bullock, steer," also the name of the constellation, from PIE *tau-ro- "bull" (source also of Greek tauros,You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Quote:How to see the Pleiades. If you’re familiar with the famous constellation Orion, it can help you be sure you’ve found the Pleiades. The image at right shows Orion at the bottom left. See the three stars in a row? That’s Orion’s Belt. Draw a line through the three stars of Orion’s Belt to the right – and you come to a V-shaped pattern of stars with a bright star in its midst. The V-shaped pattern is the Face of Taurus the Bull. The bright star in the V – called Aldebaran – depicts the Bull’s Eye. A bit past Aldebaran, you’ll see the Pleiades cluster, which marks the Bull’s Shoulder. In our image, the Pleiades cluster is at the top right.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Aldebaran, Arabic for follower, is thought to be in reference to this star forever chasing the Pleiades across the heavens. As a general rule, the Pleiades cluster rises into the eastern sky before Aldebaran rises, and sets in the west before Aldebaran sets. The only exception to this rule happens at far southern latitudes – like at South America’s Tierra del Fuego – where the Pleiades rise a short while after Aldebaran rises.
Quote:Who discovered Saturn?
There is no single person who is credited with the discovery of Saturn. Saturn is one of the five planets that can be seen in the night sky without using a telescope or binoculars. The planet Saturn has been known since ancient times and was observed for thousands of years by the people of many different cultures.
-JKP- > 21-09-2016, 10:35 PM
stellar > 22-09-2016, 01:42 AM
(21-09-2016, 10:35 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Stellar, I think you completely missed my point.
I known all about Orion, Pleiades, etc. I'm quite familiar with the constellations... I can identify many of them on sight, and have a fairly good quality telescope to view them.
What I'm saying, (besides the fact that there are other ways to interpret seven stars) is that you assigned a different VMS word token to Taurus than other people who have gone down this same road and you imposed the "4" glyph on the letter "a".
So, to support your assertions:
- You need to justify why you turned the "a" into a "4", otherwise people might think you did so to make your numbers come out the way you want them.
- You need to explain why you disagree with the labels assigned by previous researchers and switched them around.