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• RE: 100% Proof That the VMS is in a number system f49v

  stellar > 08-11-2016, 02:29 PM

  I counted two glyph s wrong which totaled to 14 they are set to total 4, because each one is a 2.
  
  

• RE: The percentages

  ThomasCoon > 08-11-2016, 03:27 PM

  Here are two links showing that "Skorpius" is a normal German word. One of them is run by the German Space Society:

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  Here is the word circled for convenience:
  
  
  
  Regarding Virgo / Jungefrou: I was actually correct with the calculation but I put =8 instead of =9 at the end. It was actually fine (my mistake).
  
  
  Regarding Vidder: I replaced this with Witern, which is a form of "Witer" (Ram) in Middle High German.
  
  So here are the 12 signs:
  
     

• RE: The percentages

  ThomasCoon > 08-11-2016, 04:19 PM

  BONUS! Here is also Chinese:
  
  
  
  For your convenience, here are the links to each term in a Chinese dictionary:
  

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• RE: The percentages

  Witch Mountain > 08-11-2016, 04:25 PM

  (08-11-2016, 02:11 AM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (08-11-2016, 01:28 AM)Witch Mountain Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Most dear Stellar, I note interestingly that you did not answer a key point of dear Thomas' post displayed below. Could you tell us what you think of this? Many and many thanks!
  
  

  (07-11-2016, 03:59 PM)ThomasCoon Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It's not surprising that your numerology fits each Zodiac sign - it's actually normal and inevitable. Let's say that you can't fit the standard word for "Gemini" in German or Welsh: you can then try "twin" "twins" "twin-brothers", "brothers", "siblings", and so on. Eventually, something will equal the number that you already know you need. When you see that you need 1 or a 6 or a 9, you can just go through all the possible related words, singulars and plurals, and alternate spellings (John vs. Iuan vs. Ieuan) until you finally get a match. Does that make sense?

  
  Dear WitchMountain,
  
  Thomas has not demonstrated that there is a German fit to the Zodiac using the cipher I created for the VMS.  Also the word must convey meaning from a label, picture or theme which would = a 3% chance.

  
  
  Most dear Stellar, it looks as if dear Thomas has now shown that your system can generate any language including German or Chinese, not only the Welsh of dearest John Dee. Since you got what you requested, can you now please answer this part of his post, which I will copy  below:
  
  ThomasCoon wrote
  It's not surprising that your numerology fits each Zodiac sign - it's actually normal and inevitable. Let's say that you can't fit the standard word for "Gemini" in German or Welsh: you can then try "twin" "twins" "twin-brothers", "brothers", "siblings", and so on. Eventually, something will equal the number that you already know you need. When you see that you need 1 or a 6 or a 9, you can just go through all the possible related words, singulars and plurals, and alternate spellings (John vs. Iuan vs. Ieuan) until you finally get a match. Does that make sense?

• RE: The percentages

  stellar > 08-11-2016, 04:26 PM

  Jungefrou in not a German word:
  
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  I need a source for witern:
  
  All my words in the Zodiac are backup ed by a source.
  

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  (08-11-2016, 04:25 PM)Witch Mountain Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (08-11-2016, 02:11 AM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (08-11-2016, 01:28 AM)Witch Mountain Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Most dear Stellar, I note interestingly that you did not answer a key point of dear Thomas' post displayed below. Could you tell us what you think of this? Many and many thanks!
  
  

  (07-11-2016, 03:59 PM)ThomasCoon Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It's not surprising that your numerology fits each Zodiac sign - it's actually normal and inevitable. Let's say that you can't fit the standard word for "Gemini" in German or Welsh: you can then try "twin" "twins" "twin-brothers", "brothers", "siblings", and so on. Eventually, something will equal the number that you already know you need. When you see that you need 1 or a 6 or a 9, you can just go through all the possible related words, singulars and plurals, and alternate spellings (John vs. Iuan vs. Ieuan) until you finally get a match. Does that make sense?

  
  Dear WitchMountain,
  
  Thomas has not demonstrated that there is a German fit to the Zodiac using the cipher I created for the VMS.  Also the word must convey meaning from a label, picture or theme which would = a 3% chance.

  
  
  Most dear Stellar, it looks as if dear Thomas has now shown that your system can generate any language including German or Chinese, not only the Welsh of dearest John Dee. Since you got what you requested, can you now please answer this part of his post, which I will copy  below:
  
  ThomasCoon wrote
  It's not surprising that your numerology fits each Zodiac sign - it's actually normal and inevitable. Let's say that you can't fit the standard word for "Gemini" in German or Welsh: you can then try "twin" "twins" "twin-brothers", "brothers", "siblings", and so on. Eventually, something will equal the number that you already know you need. When you see that you need 1 or a 6 or a 9, you can just go through all the possible related words, singulars and plurals, and alternate spellings (John vs. Iuan vs. Ieuan) until you finally get a match. Does that make sense?

  
  He still fell short!

• RE: The percentages

  ThomasCoon > 08-11-2016, 04:45 PM

  Stellar, I have two degrees in German (Bachelors and a Masters degree). Those words will not appear in a modern dictionary but they are fine for 15th century documents.
  
  However, if you would rather not take my word for this, then please forget about German completely and look at the Chinese, where I did give dictionary entries for all terms.

• RE: The percentages

  stellar > 08-11-2016, 04:48 PM

  All I can say is John Dee was in search for a universal language.  This is great input for a universal language using numbers.  And this may add evidence for John Dee as the author. 
  
  Thank you all for your participation,  We are still in search for meaning in this text, and perhaps we are still in the right direction.
  
  
  
  

  Quote:universal law. This also applies in part to his more conventional "Cabalism," using words and letters, in the Monas , while the way in which other standard objections — as those raised in the Cratylus — were thought to be adequately answered has already been discussed (90). It is interesting however that Roger Bacon relies on the same text as Dee cites in the prefatory letter, to justify such practises; writing "For the Lord says, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the alw till all be fulfilled. And therefore there is an admirable exposition in the book on the meanings of the scriptures stating how the individual letters of the Hebrew Alphabet had significance respecting the ancient people, and how they show the number of centuries through which the state of that race passed as regards its different periods and ages, in accordance with the special powers and potencies ofthe letters....I cannot sufficiently admire the manner in which the examination was derived, although it may seem to the uninitiated to have a weak basis in the letters of the alphabet which are the first rudiments of children. But according to the teaching of the Apostles lesser things are more necessary and are to be accorded greater honour...."(91) Bacon, as Dee here also, gives equal status to the Greek and Latin alphabets. Agrippa does the same, declaring that it is God who has given man discourse in different languages, of which the written characters have a fixed order, and particular shapes which are not the result of chance, or human invention, but divinely formed in accordance with the celestial bodies and angelic powers and the virtue of these. In a manner very close to the method of Dee's Monas , he attempts the reduction of letters to zodiacal and planetary signs (92).
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• RE: The percentages

  Witch Mountain > 08-11-2016, 04:48 PM

  (08-11-2016, 04:26 PM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (08-11-2016, 04:25 PM)Witch Mountain Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Most dear Stellar, it looks as if dear Thomas has now shown that your system can generate any language including German or Chinese, not only the Welsh of dearest John Dee. Since you got what you requested, can you now please answer this part of his post, which I will copy  below:
  
  ThomasCoon wrote
  It's not surprising that your numerology fits each Zodiac sign - it's actually normal and inevitable. Let's say that you can't fit the standard word for "Gemini" in German or Welsh: you can then try "twin" "twins" "twin-brothers", "brothers", "siblings", and so on. Eventually, something will equal the number that you already know you need. When you see that you need 1 or a 6 or a 9, you can just go through all the possible related words, singulars and plurals, and alternate spellings (John vs. Iuan vs. Ieuan) until you finally get a match. Does that make sense?

  
  He still fell short!

  
  Most dear Stellar, please look at the Chinese version, it seems that most dear Thomas has a source for every word, which means that he has proven your system can generate many languages, not Welsh alone

• RE: The percentages

  stellar > 08-11-2016, 04:54 PM

  (08-11-2016, 04:48 PM)Witch Mountain Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (08-11-2016, 04:26 PM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (08-11-2016, 04:25 PM)Witch Mountain Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Most dear Stellar, it looks as if dear Thomas has now shown that your system can generate any language including German or Chinese, not only the Welsh of dearest John Dee. Since you got what you requested, can you now please answer this part of his post, which I will copy  below:
  
  ThomasCoon wrote
  It's not surprising that your numerology fits each Zodiac sign - it's actually normal and inevitable. Let's say that you can't fit the standard word for "Gemini" in German or Welsh: you can then try "twin" "twins" "twin-brothers", "brothers", "siblings", and so on. Eventually, something will equal the number that you already know you need. When you see that you need 1 or a 6 or a 9, you can just go through all the possible related words, singulars and plurals, and alternate spellings (John vs. Iuan vs. Ieuan) until you finally get a match. Does that make sense?

  
  He still fell short!

  
  Most dear Stellar, please look at the Chinese version, it is clear that most dear Thomas has a source for every word, which means that he has proven your system can result in other languages, not Welsh alone. So you must now answer his claim, which I will repost below:
  
  ThomasCoon wrote
  It's not surprising that your numerology fits each Zodiac sign - it's actually normal and inevitable. Let's say that you can't fit the standard word for "Gemini" in German or Welsh: you can then try "twin" "twins" "twin-brothers", "brothers", "siblings", and so on. Eventually, something will equal the number that you already know you need. When you see that you need 1 or a 6 or a 9, you can just go through all the possible related words, singulars and plurals, and alternate spellings (John vs. Iuan vs. Ieuan) until you finally get a match. Does that make sense?

  
  

  Quote:(91) Bacon, as Dee here also, gives equal status to the Greek and Latin alphabets. Agrippa does the same, declaring that it is God who has given man discourse in different languages, of which the written characters have a fixed order, and particular shapes which are not the result of chance, or human invention, but divinely formed in accordance with the celestial bodies and angelic powers and the virtue of these. In a manner very close to the method of Dee's Monas , he attempts the reduction of letters to zodiacal and planetary signs (92).

• RE: The percentages

  Witch Mountain > 08-11-2016, 05:04 PM

  That is fair most dear Stellar. I think the point that is being made (correct me if I am wrong dear Thomas) is this:
  
  If this numerology system can produce words in any language - Welsh German Chinese etc. - then it may be too loose: anyone can find anything they're looking for.
  
  If you think John Dee wrote the manuscript, and I think it's a Chinese work, and the numerology system says we're both right at the same time, then something may be wrong with the system.
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