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  pjburkshire > Yesterday, 01:51 PM

  I would like to learn about astrology so I can have a better understanding of the Zodiac pages in the Voynich Manuscript.  I know Zodiac "Sign" is based on date of birth but I am clueless about Zodiac "Houses" and Zodiac "Stations" and a lot of other terms.  Can anyone point me to a good (free) online source to learn astrology/zodiac that is based on historical beliefs and not mysticism leaning?
  
  I know the Zodiac "Sign" is based on date of birth, where the sun is at the time of birth.  Gives temperament, motivations, strengths, etc.
  
  I believe Zodiac "House" adds time of day and place of birth.  I'm still confused about the 12 "Houses".  No idea about Zodiac "Stations".  How were "Houses" and "Stations" generally illustrated in the early 15th century?
  
  Each of the circles of Quire 9, f67r1 and f67r2 has 12 sections.  I wonder if these could be the 12 Zodiac "Houses".  I don't know why they would put "Houses" in Quire 9 before the "Signs".
  
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  Or, maybe the "baskets" the nymphs are in on the regular Zodiac "Sign" pages are Zodiac "Houses" but they don't line up to 12.  Not all Zodiac nymphs are in "baskets".  Nymph in a "basket" or not in a "basket" must have some meaning.

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  Juan_Sali > Yesterday, 11:39 PM

  And old book from 1659, (maybe too much information) :
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  Bluetoes101 > Today, 12:01 AM

  I would like info on this also so thanks for asking  . 
  Something else to consider with Zodiac stuff, that might be relevant to the VMS is medicinal use and Alchemy (and others). 
  People believed in certain properties or (more whimsical) powers associated with each (I guess this is still sort of a thing). For example books on distillation would very often have cosmos/astro sections, to determine the best times to XYZ (make or take). Given the amount of "herbs" in the VMS I think these subsections are worth spending a little time on. I must admit though I am also in the dark where "houses" and "stations" etc come in.

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  pjburkshire > Today, 12:59 AM

  (Yesterday, 11:39 PM)Juan_Sali Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  And old book from 1659, (maybe too much information) :
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  Thanks for the link!  That is a lot of information!
  
  I did find two Figures of the 12 "Houses of Heaven".
  
  Document page 33, software page 57
  Document page 35, software page 59
  
  But both are the diamond shape.  I was hoping to find an old illustration of the circle in 12 "slices".  I've found lots of contemporary images but no old one.  The description of a circle with 12 slices made me think of f67r1 and f67r2 but probably not.
  
  I have often wondered why f67r2 uses red ink for text.  Don't see that a lot in the Voynich Manuscript so it must have been important for something.

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  pjburkshire > 11 hours ago

  From f70v2 to f73v, I found at least 4 nymphs that seem to be missing stars.  I found 4 stars that are not attached to nymphs but are attached to the center images.  But, for the most part, there is a one-to-one relationship between nymphs and stars.  I think Pisces is showing the nymphs and stars being paired together and the nymphs are getting into baskets.  In Taurus the baskets start to be discontinued and it is just nymphs and stars.  Taurus is 2 months from Pisces.  It could be that the baskets are representing that something is different in those 2 months from the later months.
  
  I don't know if there is any significance to the changes with the strings on the star-like images.  It may just be varying artistic expression.
  
  I do not know the meaning of the 3 crowns; f72r3 (Cancer), f72v3 (Leo), f72v1 (Libra).  They increase in size.  This may indicate that something is growing.  I don't know what they would be saying is growing -- other than the crowns.  On jasondavies.com the photos are out of order.  Leo should be before Libra.
  
  0. Pisces 
  1. Aries 
  2. Taurus 
  3. Gemini 
  4. Cancer 
  5. Leo 
  6. Virgo 
  7. Libra 
  8. Scorpio 
  9. Sagittarius

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  nablator > 11 hours ago

  (11 hours ago)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.On jasondavies.com the photos are out of order.

  
  Yes, also voynichese.com. It should be v3 v2 v1. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. fixed the order.

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  nablator > 10 hours ago

  (Yesterday, 01:51 PM)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.How were "Houses" and "Stations" generally illustrated in the early 15th century?

  
  12 houses in Guido Bonatus: Decem continens tractatus Astronomie (1491 edition but Guido Bonatti died before 1300)
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  Houses-planets associations are mostly found in astrological texts, not illustrated. For example Pierre d'Ailly, Elucidarium Astronomice Concordie Cum Theologica Et Historica Veritate.
  
     

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  pjburkshire > 10 hours ago

  (10 hours ago)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (Yesterday, 01:51 PM)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.How were "Houses" and "Stations" generally illustrated in the early 15th century?

  
  12 houses in Guido, Bonatus: Decem continens tractatus Astronomie (1491 edition)
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  But houses-planets associations are mostly found in astrological texts, not illustrated.

  
  Yes, thank you.  For years I have been trying to convince people that the Voynich Manuscript is more medical than astrological.
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