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• RE: Zodiac 101

  pjburkshire > 16-02-2026, 03:09 PM

  (16-02-2026, 01:58 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  

  (16-02-2026, 01:11 PM)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'm still trying to figure out the baskets.  I think the baskets have significance.

  
  
  If you care, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is my theory about those tubs/basket/barrels.  Those very convenient Pillsbury Nymph-In-A-Can products.  
  
  (But be warned, it is in a heretic thread.  Tinted safety glasses and gloves are recommended.)
  
  All the best, --stolfi
  

  
  
  

  (23-12-2025, 10:32 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  I SEE DEAD NYMPHS!
  
  Actually, only dead legs.  Specifically, on f70v1, inner band, nymph at 12:00:
  

  
  
  I think the nymphs have different meanings in different sections.  I don't see the nymphs in the zodiac section as being dead.  I think they are more like tutelary spirits or guardian angels (junior grade).
  
  But that nymph on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. does look rather sickly.

• RE: Zodiac 101

  Antonio García Jiménez > 16-02-2026, 04:18 PM

  On some pages of the zodiac, the female figures are housed in tubes, at the beginning of the tubes that we later see in Quire 13. On f78r, fragments of tube with similar decoration are clearly visible. On that folio, the artist wants us to see the fluid, which is why the tube is fragmented.
  
    I don't want to elaborate further because anyone who has read my thread knows my interpretation of these female figures and all this imagery.

• RE: Zodiac 101

  DG97EEB > 16-02-2026, 05:43 PM

  (16-02-2026, 01:58 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (16-02-2026, 01:11 PM)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'm still trying to figure out the baskets.  I think the baskets have significance.

  
  If you care, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is my theory about those tubs/basket/barrels.  Those very convenient Pillsbury Nymph-In-A-Can products.  
  
  (But be warned, it is in a heretic thread.  Tinted safety glasses and gloves are recommended.)
  
  All the best, --stolfi

  
  I was just looking at this Manuscript again, and we have a guy, I guess in a barrell 
  
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  On the opposite page we also have Scorpio as a 6 legged crocodile..
  
  Then flicking through, there are a lot of diagrams that look proto Voynich... Bearing in mind this is 14th century, I do wonder if a later copy might be part of the inspiration...

• RE: Zodiac 101

  pjburkshire > 16-02-2026, 06:03 PM

  (16-02-2026, 05:43 PM)DG97EEB Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  I was just looking at this Manuscript again, and we have a guy, I guess in a barrell 
  

  
  
  It looks like tub guy is associated with Libra (The scales of justice).  I assume he is supposed to be an example of or personification of one of the characteristics that a person born under the Sign of Libra is supposed to have.

• RE: Zodiac 101

  R. Sale > 16-02-2026, 07:44 PM

  The VMs Zodiac is the starting point for various investigations. Regarding the nymphs in tubs, some of the tub patterns have interesting similarities with those used in armorial heraldry.

• RE: Zodiac 101

  Antonio García Jiménez > 16-02-2026, 08:19 PM

  The guy in the barrel is treading grapes, which is what was done during the time of the sign of Libra (September-October).

• RE: Zodiac 101

  pjburkshire > 16-02-2026, 09:17 PM

  I counted the zodiac nymphs.  There seems to be a nymph missing on f70v2 Pisces.  I've counted multiple times and I only get 29.  Is there a nymph hiding somewhere that I am missing?
  
  
  f70v2        Pisces        Inner Circle        10                               
  f70v2        Pisces        Outer Circle        19                               
  f70v2        Pisces        Total                29        29        Pisces       
                                                         
  f70v1        Aries        Inner Circle        5                               
  f70v1        Aries        Outer Circle        10                               
  f70v1        Aries        Total                15                       
                                                         
  f71r        Aries        Inner Circle        5                               
  f71r        Aries        Outer Circle        10                               
  f71r        Aries        Total                15                       
                                          30        Aries       
                                                         
  f71v        Taurus        Inner Circle        5                               
  f71v        Taurus        Outer Circle        10                               
  f71v        Taurus        Total                15                       
                                                         
  f72r1        Taurus        Inner Circle        5                               
  f72r1        Taurus        Outer Circle        10                                No baskets
  f72r1        Taurus        Total                15                       
                                          30        Taurus       
                                                         
  f72r2        Gemini        Inner Circle        9                               
  f72r2        Gemini        2nd Circle        16                               
  f72r2        Gemini        Outer Part        5                               
  f72r2        Gemini        Total                30        30        Gemini       
                                                         
  f72r3        Cancer        Inner Circle        7                                First Crown
  f72r3        Cancer        Middle Circle        11                               
  f72r3        Cancer        Outer Circle        12                               
  f72r3        Cancer        Total                30        30        Cancer       
                                                         
  f72v3        Leo        Inner Circle        12                                Second Crown
  f72v3        Leo        Outer Circle        18                               
  f72v3        Leo        Total                30        30        Leo       
                                                         
  f72v2        Virgo        Inner Circle        12                               
  f72v2        Virgo        Outer Circle        18                               
  f72v2        Virgo        Total                30        30        Virgo       
                                                         
  f72v1        Libra        Inner Circle        10                               
  f72v1        Libra        Outer Circle        20                                Third Crown
  f72v1        Libra        Total                30        30        Libra       
                                                         
  f73r        Scorpio        Inner Circle        10                               
  f73r        Scorpio        2nd Circle        16                               
  f73r        Scorpio        Outer Part        4                               
  f73r        Scorpio        Total                30        30        Scorpio       
                                                         
  f73v        Sagittarius        Inner Circle        10                               
  f73v        Sagittarius        2nd Circle        16                               
  f73v        Sagittarius        Outer Part        4                               
  f73v        Sagittarius        Total                30        30        Sagittarius

• RE: Zodiac 101

  nablator > 16-02-2026, 09:47 PM

  (16-02-2026, 09:17 PM)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Is there a nymph hiding somewhere that I am missing?

  
  No. Maybe she was eaten by a fish and only the label remained.

• RE: Zodiac 101

  DG97EEB > 16-02-2026, 10:13 PM

  (16-02-2026, 09:47 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (16-02-2026, 09:17 PM)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Is there a nymph hiding somewhere that I am missing?

  
  No. Maybe she was eaten by a fish and only the label remained.

  
  Maybe she's hiding in a barrel..

• RE: Zodiac 101

  DG97EEB > 16-02-2026, 11:00 PM

  (16-02-2026, 06:03 PM)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (16-02-2026, 05:43 PM)DG97EEB Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  I was just looking at this Manuscript again, and we have a guy, I guess in a barrell 
  

  
  
  It looks like tub guy is associated with Libra (The scales of justice).  I assume he is supposed to be an example of or personification of one of the characteristics that a person born under the Sign of Libra is supposed to have.

  
  Here's another from a copy of the same manuscript... No scorpio but that lion looks familiar...https://galerij.kb.nl/kb.html#/en/dernaturenbloeme2/page/18/zoom/3/lat/-66.17235032443266/lng/21.562495529651642
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