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• RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish

  oshfdk > 15-11-2025, 11:56 PM

  (15-11-2025, 11:39 PM)Doireannjane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.How likely is it that I single handedly, without the help of any kind of AI, no advisor, no university, no funding, no help, not even a college degree, just a few years of studying translation in college and a year working on this that I found the taxonomy of most of the plants and roots by name? This seems particularly improbable from an academic's lens, I imagine. But that's the truth, everything is documented.

  
  Do you have any confirmation for this claim from an expert botanist with some knowledge of medieval herbal MS tradition? I only see some vague resemblance between the plant photos you posted and the drawings in the manuscript, but I certainly cannot make this call or verify this, because I know very little about botany and how plants were usually depicted in the medieval manuscripts. Also, as I have written before, plants in the MS look chimeric and certainly include many unrealistic details (faces in the roots, animal shapes, etc). They could be overly schematic or even imaginary, and there are more than a hundred plants in the MS, if I'm not mistaken. There are not that many possible shapes and arrangements, so it's not surprising that it's possible to find some similarities to some real life plants. Especially if the process involves the same trial and error that you perform with the words.

• RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish

  Doireannjane > 15-11-2025, 11:59 PM

  (15-11-2025, 11:51 PM)igajkgko Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (15-11-2025, 11:39 PM)Doireannjane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It's statistically improbable that it isn't.

  
  How have you determined this?

  
  Can you point me to a translation that is as fitting or aligned with what we're seeing on the pages? Throughout the whole thing? Every visual and non-visual page?

• RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish

  Doireannjane > Yesterday, 12:04 AM

  (15-11-2025, 11:56 PM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (15-11-2025, 11:39 PM)Doireannjane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.How likely is it that I single handedly, without the help of any kind of AI, no advisor, no university, no funding, no help, not even a college degree, just a few years of studying translation in college and a year working on this that I found the taxonomy of most of the plants and roots by name? This seems particularly improbable from an academic's lens, I imagine. But that's the truth, everything is documented.

  
  Do you have any confirmation for this claim from an expert botanist with some knowledge of medieval herbal MS tradition? I only see some vague resemblance between the plant photos you posted and the drawings in the manuscript, but I certainly cannot make this call or verify this, because I know very little about botany and how plants were usually depicted in the medieval manuscripts. Also, as I have written before, plants in the MS look chimeric and certainly include many unrealistic details (faces in the roots, animal shapes, etc). They could be overly schematic or even imaginary, and there are more than a hundred plants in the MS, if I'm not mistaken. There are not that many possible shapes and arrangements, so it's not surprising that it's possible to find some similarities to some real life plants. Especially if the process involves the same trial and error that you perform with the words.

  
  These are identified and were initially identified with corresponding character and sounds. Not by searching plants. I didn't know of them previously. I have several herbalists, foragers and botanists following me and confirming in the comments of my Tiktok content. The images are absolutely unrealistic, they're magnified/close up.

• RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish

  Doireannjane > Yesterday, 12:07 AM

  Also side note, TikTok and most social media is where you will find modern day salons. They are not in or associated with educational institutions.

• RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish

  igajkgko > Yesterday, 12:15 AM

  (15-11-2025, 11:59 PM)Doireannjane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Can you point me to a translation that is as fitting or aligned with what we're seeing on the pages?

  
  Even if I couldn't, this is only useful if your translation is correct. If the process of translation involves steps where words and translations are selected (consciously or not) to fit with the context and what we see, not to mention the circularity in that we also need to interpret what it is we actually see on the page to begin with (which isn't exactly always clear, to put it mildly, ..)
  
  .. you end up with a lot of interpretation and not much certainty.

• RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish

  rikforto > Yesterday, 12:18 AM

  (15-11-2025, 11:52 PM)Doireannjane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.No one has tried to reproduce what I've done on the thread. The initial steps maybe, but let me remind you, this took me months (to figure out just the basics).

  
  I have, if unwisely, attempted to reproduce what you have done and a number of my questions about how you did it remain unanswered. I stopped when you made substantial, unexplained adjustments to your rendering of the Irish mid-thread because I could not have contrived a better demonstration of how this is your subjective judgement of the text rather than a method the rest of us can follow.

• RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish

  igajkgko > Yesterday, 12:26 AM

  (15-11-2025, 11:59 PM)Doireannjane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Can you point me to a translation that is as fitting or aligned with what we're seeing on the pages? Throughout the whole thing? Every visual and non-visual page?

  
  .. to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I linked earlier ..
  
  

  Kris1212 Wrote:The system works consistently across every folio I've decoded. [..]  Can you show me anyone else who has decoded page after page using a consistent system and published it publicly?

  
  It really is a common trap.

• RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish

  Doireannjane > Yesterday, 12:28 AM

  (Yesterday, 12:18 AM)rikforto Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (15-11-2025, 11:52 PM)Doireannjane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.No one has tried to reproduce what I've done on the thread. The initial steps maybe, but let me remind you, this took me months (to figure out just the basics).

  
  I have, if unwisely, attempted to reproduce what you have done and a number of my questions about how you did it remain unanswered. I stopped when you made substantial, unexplained adjustments to your rendering of the Irish mid-thread because I could not have contrived a better demonstration of how this is your subjective judgement of the text rather than a method the rest of us can follow.

  
  I explained what is needed to start translating. It requires a substantial amount of listening. How do I know you've done that? It seems like everyone is speeding along on their own, with a set of rules that don't necessarily apply to this text, it's not at all a natural learning process. To demonstrate you need to learn. I told the steps and it's not evident that anyone has put time into doing even the initial steps. I've written down every exception and someone is demonstrating this week. I've taught software engineering to adults, and adults with a background in management or in tech sometimes do worse than a truck driver or Target employee for example, because of differences in mentality and a lack of curiosity, the inclination to judge/critique.

• RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish

  oshfdk > Yesterday, 12:31 AM

  (Yesterday, 12:04 AM)Doireannjane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.These are identified and were initially identified with corresponding character and sounds. Not by searching plants. I didn't know of them previously. I have several herbalists, foragers and botanists following me and confirming in the comments of my Tiktok content. The images are absolutely unrealistic, they're magnified/close up.

  
  Did you confirm the credentials of these botanists and their knowledge of medieval herbal MS tradition? Many people use social media to exchange some forms of emotional support. They tell you that you rock, you tell them they are the best.
  
  The way it works, a person would stumble upon a random video where you talk about the MS. If they don't like it, if they consider your approach wrong or cringe, in most cases they will just skip it (unless they enjoy hating) and TikTok will show them something else. If they do like your approach on the other hand, TikTok will show them more and more, they become emotionally invested and they will try to support you. I'm not sure it's possible to put much weight on the support on social media where your audience is pre filtered to include as many people that enjoy watching your videos and the people who don't like your approach are weeded out.

• RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish

  rikforto > Yesterday, 12:39 AM

  (Yesterday, 12:28 AM)Doireannjane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I explained what is needed to start translating. It requires a substantial amount of listening. How do I know you've done that? It seems like everyone is speeding along on their own, with a set of rules that don't necessarily apply to this text, it's not at all a natural learning process. To demonstrate you need to learn. I told the steps and it's not evident that anyone has put time into doing even the initial steps. I've written down every exception and someone is demonstrating this week. I've taught software engineering to adults, and adults with a background in management or in tech sometimes do worse than a truck driver or Target employee for example, because of differences in mentality and a lack of curiosity, the inclination to judge/critique.

  
  If you were actually listening to the feedback I was providing about your process, you would know I have not listened to any audio on Teanglann as part of trying to reproduce what you have done. This is because we stalled before establishing what I should be selecting to listen to on Teanglann, and what I should be listening for, which is part of the process you are using and one of the things I have repeatedly asked for clarification on. Far from a lack of curiosity, I was quite dogged in trying to get answers to the questions about your system and they have not been forthcoming.
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