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• RE: Let's rate some bulls

  Koen G > 06-01-2025, 01:48 PM

  (06-01-2025, 01:37 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This one could be a decent match - Koninklijke Bibliotheek, KB, KA 16 (Der Naturen Bloeme), folio 70r, Flanders, ca. 1350.
  I see that "both eyes visible" was also removed. Was that intentional?

  
  That one's already included, scores very high. I would even say it's definitely related. Notice the little tree at almost-basket-position!
  
  Maerlant also derives from the Soissons MS tradition, though with some variation.
  
  I removed the "both eyes" thing early on since this is only clear for one of the VM bulls (?)

• RE: Let's rate some bulls

  MarcoP > 06-01-2025, 01:59 PM

  Thank you, Koen. Which of the two shows a single eye?

• RE: Let's rate some bulls

  Koen G > 06-01-2025, 02:00 PM

  I thought the darker one, but... is that smaller thing another eye? It's so wonky!

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  MarcoP > 06-01-2025, 02:19 PM

  Thanks again. In both cases, the right eye (leftmost in the image) is a little smaller than the left one. They are all too circular to be realistic. But of course this one is covered by a little brown paint, I guess that's the source of the problem. I think that both heads are seen almost frontally, as shown by the horns and hears, so ignoring the right eye results in something quite weird. But since there is no consensus, I agree that the property must be discarded.

• RE: Let's rate some bulls

  Koen G > 06-01-2025, 02:29 PM

  Well, if both eyes are really visible, then it might be a relevant property. I'm just having a hard time making heads or tails of the dark bull's face
  
  This is how I would outline it, based on what I can see:
  
     
  
  (Why does this remind me of Lascaux)

• RE: Let's rate some bulls

  oshfdk > 06-01-2025, 04:48 PM

  It's really hard to interpret, one can argue for any number of eyes between 1 and 3, or maybe even a sideways face  
  
     

• RE: Let's rate some bulls

  Koen G > 06-01-2025, 04:53 PM

  Isn't there also one beneath the main one, slightly to the right?

• RE: Let's rate some bulls

  oshfdk > 06-01-2025, 05:15 PM

  I think it's mystery solved: the whole manuscript is about ophthalmology, specifically plants and baths to help grow extra eyes. EVA d represents lenses, and the gallows are various frames for as many eyes as one desires. Benched gallows are the normal glasses and ordinary gallows are pince-nez and lorgnette variants. Note that there are many sunglasses in the manuscript as well.

• RE: Let's rate some bulls

  R. Sale > 07-01-2025, 09:10 PM

  The Meßkirch bull steals the show. Top rated individual on visual appearance. One of the few to fit VMs chronology and a great location. Fits in well with the Sagittarius investigation.

• RE: Let's rate some bulls

  Bluetoes101 > 13-01-2025, 12:49 PM

  
  
  Alchemica (German MS 1)
  
  Alchemica is a fifteenth-century manuscript Illustrated with 17 coloured drawings and texts of alchemical subjects. Bavarian dialect.
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  Not a match for a source image, but the head features, tail, long neck
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