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Let's rate some bulls - Koen G - 23-12-2024
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Inspired by the conversation in R.Sale's You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., I created a template for assessing images of bulls. This might allow us to trace certain features and perhaps learn more about their origin and spread. The current checklist is as follows:
- elongated horns
- lyre-shaped horns
- round eyes
- both eyes visible
- round ears
- few hairs on forehead
- facing left
- long, upright neck
- far front leg raised
- separated dewclaws
- reddish color
- weird back legs
- tail behind legs
- biforked tail
- genital confusion
- smooth outline
- stands on terrain
- accented terrain
These are currently weighed at 1 point each, but we may want to add more weight to certain features.
I propose to double the impact of:
- lyre shaped horns
- long, upright neck
- stands on terrain
because I feel like these are big things that are most likely to help us corner the type. But let me know if I should change anything about that.
Any bull you find that appears to check some boxes is always welcome. This can obviously be a long, ongoing project.
RE: Let's rate some bulls - Koen G - 23-12-2024
I should probably remove the category "both eyes visible" since we seem to have one of each option in the two VM bulls.
RE: Let's rate some bulls - Koen G - 23-12-2024
I went through some notable Zodiac sequences that have been proposed in the past. I included a few, but quite often the bull is not the most similar one.
It's also a shame the British Library is still down, I would have liked to have a better look at this one You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
I'd also like to see this MS held in Brussels, but to my great shame and regret, certain Belgian institutions are lagging behind in their digitization efforts. It looks like an interesting piece. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
RE: Let's rate some bulls - R. Sale - 24-12-2024
In the spreadsheet, BNF Latin 9333 is dated 1400. @Bernd dated the ms 1445-1451. [Other thread Post #11]
RE: Let's rate some bulls - bi3mw - 24-12-2024
Here`s another one:
Boeuf (France, Paris. Bibliothèque Sainte-Geneviève, Ms. 1029 f. 239v), BARTHOLOMAEUS ANGLICUS, Proprietatibus rerum (De), France (Toulouse), ca. 1350
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RE: Let's rate some bulls - Juan_Sali - 24-12-2024
A printed one: Deutscher Kalender , 1483:
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RE: Let's rate some bulls - bi3mw - 24-12-2024
(24-12-2024, 12:17 PM)Juan_Sali Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.A printed one: Deutscher Kalender , 1483:
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Homo signorum ( see neck area )
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RE: Let's rate some bulls - Koen G - 24-12-2024
(24-12-2024, 11:09 AM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Here`s another one:
Boeuf (France, Paris. Bibliothèque Sainte-Geneviève, Ms. 1029 f. 239v), BARTHOLOMAEUS ANGLICUS, Proprietatibus rerum (De), France (Toulouse), ca. 1350
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Added.
Did I miss any good one from the other thread? I tried to get them all. (Apart from the ones that would have gotten a very low score).
My favorite bad bull so far: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
RE: Let's rate some bulls - Koen G - 24-12-2024
Hahaha somewhat further in the same MS:
(This is pre-Lauber Haguenau).
RE: Let's rate some bulls - bi3mw - 24-12-2024
(24-12-2024, 01:22 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Did I miss any good one from the other thread?
In You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in the other thread there is a gallery with some examples ( Bull / Ox ). The sources ( [i] image Information > source ) for further research are also given there. The usefulness of the individual illustrations varies greatly.
Summary ( without indication of the folios ):
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