The Translation of The Voynich Manuscript: Folio 1r

[Aga Tentakulus]

Actually, I never wanted to tell you that.

But I used to have 10 children. But it's only thanks to Dr Frankenstein that one of them had a birthday today, haahhhooo.

[RobGea]

Olive production in Switzerland :: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Also with a quick search cannot find any mention of "treading" olives.

[Gab19]

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It seems difficult to figure out exactly how the Latin was produced. "Gestalt Perception" allows quite a lot of freedom of interpretation...

samen (not Latin) /semen is daiin, according to The Translation of The Voynich Manuscript: Folio 1r page 16.

The Gestalt Perception was not in reference to "samen/semen" but to electuarias and caelestias, etc - specifically using the more unusual ligatures.  It does not allow a lot of freedom at all.

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Isn't the overall idea of pressing vast amount of olives with feet (in Germany?) in the 15th century a bit far fetched? Context also considered (impossible cipher employed), so the olive police don't find out? People rebelled against the olive press? Are all the other plants going to be olives too?

"It is now determined that the purpose of the Voynich Manuscript is to make olive oil based electuaries to fight infection and other ailments, depending on one’s humoral disposition and time of birth during the year indicated by an individual's star sign (see rotulo sideris in the translation of Paragraph 4)."

The idea of olives are more than farfetched. I think the author has never seen real olives. They are hard with an even harder seed inside. To extract oil they had to be ground between two very heavy rocks, u often pulled in circles by a mule or a similar animal. No way ever they could crushed by human feet. I think it would even hurt your feet if you tried walking on olives. Then - olive trees don’t grow in Germany. Not now, not in Middle Ages. They need a Mediterranean climate only.

All it takes is a quick google to realize Switzerland was heavy in olive production in the middle ages and onward.

 
Not really.

Nightbadger - I realize I could have came as an a… ole but all I want to say is that you need more research and fact checking. Maybe what you say is not all wrong and you just need to reconsider some of the assumptions. Good luck!

[MarcoP]

This is based on something I posted on Reddit. The first version of the paper was clearer and offered a line-by-line Latin word salad, while in later versions the correspondence with Voynich lines was lost. That earlier version makes it easier to notice that the pseudo-Latin is twice longer than Voynichese (even using EVA) and includes more words. There is no clear correspondence between Voynichese words and Latin words (see highlighted examples, e.g. "horas" occurs three times in the fist two lines, but no Voynichese word occurs three times).

   


A possible way to simulate the encoding is removing half the characters and one fourth of the spaces from a plain text, but this of course increases entropy, while Scott's pseudo-Latin has a higher entropy than Voynichese.

Examples:

she seems to hang upon the cheek of night
seem t hn uote he o ngt

the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
teuc bon o jmsvr h lz dg

in the beginning god created the heaven and the earth
ite einn gd raete evn n teat

Bowern and Lindemann have shown that also historical abbreviations in actual manuscripts result in higher entropy (which makes sense, since the goal is encoding the same amount of information in a shorter text).

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EDIT: Truncation could be a better approximation of Scott's method (it doesn't increase entropy, maybe it even lowers it somehow). Still removing one fourth of the spaces:

she seems to hang upon the cheek of night
shse to ha upth ch of ni

the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
thqu br fo juov th la do

in the beginning god created the heaven and the earth
inth begi go creth he an thea

[Typpi]

She's been advertising her new solution on the reddit for voynich.

She uploaded a 4 hour video with a massive portion of the audio missing for wherever reason.

Looks like the classic freedom to make whatever words you want.. abbreviated latin that's the encoded?

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It's a vid from 3 weeks ago with the description:

The Voynich Manuscript is the world's most mysterious manuscript because it is ciphered in an unknown script and has remained undeciphered for over 600 years! Until now! Join me to discuss my research into the decipherment of this early 15th Century Astro-Botanical herbal! No Sound until 12:48 due to participant level.

[Lyndon]

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[mobile1]

I coded her approach into an efficient program - basically take her first page - to populate the cipher, then apply it to the rest of the script and run an optimizer to fill the gaps. In my opinion this does not work / check out. It did not produce any useful results. Also in my opinion underlying language is German not Latin. Also too many gaps. Also the Dalai Lama angle and her devotion to him and then the book being magically about Tibet - well is a bit of a stretch in my opinion.