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• RE: Can the ending -ain refer to the infinitive of verbs?

  radapox > 20-05-2022, 03:41 PM

  (20-05-2022, 09:29 AM)radapox Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....the letters are to be read exactly as they are transliterated in EVA. But there is no reason to assume that this is indeed the case.
  
  Is there any reason to assume that this is not the case?

  
  I'd say it's simply a matter of chance. What are the odds that of the gazillions of possible letter mappings (disregarding the question whether it's a one-to-one letter mapping in the first place), EVA happens to be the one that gets its exactly right? Even if there is a partial correspondence between some Voynich and Latin letter shapes, many of them hardly resemble their EVA counterpart at all (e.g. f, h, j, k, m, n, t, u, x, z), so the makers of EVA could have easily chosen to assign those letters in a completely different way. And what are we to make of the many rare Voynich shapes, compound ones, etc.?

• RE: Can the ending -ain refer to the infinitive of verbs?

  Ruby Novacna > 20-05-2022, 04:13 PM

  (20-05-2022, 03:41 PM)radapox Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.so the makers of EVA could have easily chosen to assign those letters in a completely different way

  Precisely, Radapox, there is nothing to stop you from assigning to the letters EVA the value you want.

• How to distinguish the participle from the declined noun?

  Ruby Novacna > 24-05-2022, 10:54 AM

  If in our manuscript at least part of the text is written in ancient Greek, as I expect, we should be able to distinguish the present participle from the declined noun.
  For example, is the word You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., which I believe transcribes the word πολων, the participle of the verb πολεω or the declined noun πολος?
  
  If you have some knowledge of ancient Greek, what do you think?

• RE: How to distinguish the participle from the declined noun?

  Helmut Winkler > 24-05-2022, 07:17 PM

  Well. I think it is not possible without context
  
  Just as a side remark: I don't think there is  Greek text

• RE: How to distinguish the participle from the declined noun?

  Ruby Novacna > 24-05-2022, 07:47 PM

  (24-05-2022, 07:17 PM)Helmut Winkler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think it is not possible without context

  Thank you, Helmut, although it is rather discouraging, this similarity between the participle and the noun slows down the understanding of the text.
  
  

  (24-05-2022, 07:17 PM)Helmut Winkler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't think there is  Greek text

  I know it well, it's my own hobbyhorse.

• RE: Can the ending -ain refer to the infinitive of verbs?

  Ruby Novacna > 31-05-2022, 01:03 PM

  Two other infinitives: olkain and fdykain:
  

  • ·[font=Times New Roman]        [/font]olkain (33) – anain – ανειν, inf. of ανω –, to bring to term ;
    
  • ·[font=Times New Roman]        [/font]fdykain (1) - ft9nain - φθινειν, inf. of φθτιω – to perish, to end.
    

• RE: Can the ending -ain refer to the infinitive of verbs?

  Ruby Novacna > 09-06-2022, 03:13 PM

  I keep looking for words ending in -ain, to see if they can transcribe the infinitives of verbs, but a doubt assails me about their number.
  I don't know the total number of words in Q13 and Q20, the 1600 infinitives, isn't that too many?

• RE: Can the ending -ain refer to the infinitive of verbs?

  Ruby Novacna > 11-06-2022, 02:47 PM

  Searching the text for words ending in -ain and the conjugation of the verbs I believe to be associated with it, I learned that there is also the ending -oun for verbs, including infinitives. This ending can, in my opinion, be transcribed in voynichese as -oiin. It is certainly worth examining this kind of words to see if they can correspond to verbs.

• RE: Can the ending -ain refer to the infinitive of verbs?

  Ruby Novacna > 12-06-2022, 01:45 PM

  Another discovery (for me, of course, not for those who had the chance to learn ancient Greek), the ending -an, designates the infinitive of certain verbs.

• RE: Can the ending -ain refer to the infinitive of verbs?

  Helmut Winkler > 12-06-2022, 02:18 PM

  As I told you, I have my doubts, but  this book could be useful to you
  
  Traut, Georg
  Lexikon ueber die Formen der griechischen Verba ( 1867 )
  
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