pfeaster > 12-12-2022, 08:26 PM
(12-12-2022, 06:58 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't quite understand your example, are you trying to show that languages belonging to different families can have homophones?
(12-12-2022, 06:58 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.For example, the twelve most frequent Greek words, which you quote, in my opinion, provide very little information and in a very ordered text, such as a collection of recipes, for example, would perhaps be in the minority.
Ruby Novacna > 12-12-2022, 11:44 PM
(12-12-2022, 07:41 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Maybe the problem is that we have to guess the rules or read hundreds of posts (if they are all written in your blog posts, I don't know). Some rules may apply only in some contexts. Some rules may take precedence over some other rules. How are we to know if they are not all written down in a single place?Indeed, to understand my approach you should read my messages, in which I share all my ideas.
Ruby Novacna > 13-12-2022, 12:09 AM
(12-12-2022, 08:26 PM)pfeaster Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What differences do you see between my strategy for matching Slovenian to Turkish and your strategy for matching Voynichese to Greek?The number of words
(12-12-2022, 08:26 PM)pfeaster Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.wouldn't the list of most common Currier B words ([chedy], [Shedy], [daiin], etc.) still provide an enormously important clue? Maybe even more of a clue than it otherwise would?It is the words chedy and shedy that prove that it is not Greek?
pfeaster > 13-12-2022, 03:44 PM
(13-12-2022, 12:09 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(12-12-2022, 08:26 PM)pfeaster Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What differences do you see between my strategy for matching Slovenian to Turkish and your strategy for matching Voynichese to Greek?The number of words
(13-12-2022, 12:09 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(12-12-2022, 08:26 PM)pfeaster Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.wouldn't the list of most common Currier B words ([chedy], [Shedy], [daiin], etc.) still provide an enormously important clue? Maybe even more of a clue than it otherwise would?It is the words chedy and shedy that prove that it is not Greek?
cvetkakocj@rogers.com > 13-12-2022, 09:54 PM
(13-12-2022, 03:44 PM)pfeaster Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But it suggests that finding even hundreds of word "matches" has a high likelihood of being a false positive.Since there is a talk about Slovenian language, let me give you my opinion. First of all, do not trust Google and do not compare present day Slovenian with 15th century Slovenian.
Ruby Novacna > 14-12-2022, 03:53 PM
(13-12-2022, 03:44 PM)pfeaster Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If you were tentatively to identify the most common Voynichese words with Greek words for "the," "and," and "but," that could be somewhat persuasive.In which case do you classify my proposals for identifying the most frequent words?
If you were tentatively to identify them with Greek words for, say, "stir" and "mix" and "boil," that could still be thought-provoking.
If they don't seem to match any Greek words at all, or if you tentatively identify them with words for, say, "gimlet," "bog," and "dolphin," then perhaps there's a problem.
Ruby Novacna > 14-12-2022, 04:23 PM
(13-12-2022, 09:54 PM)cvetkakocj@rogers.com Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I believe the grammar is much better indicator of languageThis is certainly true. All of us, whatever language we speak, know many Greek words, learned at school in maths, physics, chemistry etc; without necessarily realising it. I am aware that we need more elements to determine the language of our text
pfeaster > 15-12-2022, 12:52 AM
(14-12-2022, 03:53 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In which case do you classify my proposals for identifying the most frequent words?
Ruby Novacna > 15-12-2022, 08:14 AM
(15-12-2022, 12:52 AM)pfeaster Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.One cause for concern might be that definite articles don't seem to match their nouns in gender, number, and case, as they typically would in GreekYou underline here the known difficulties, if they did not exist the text would have been deciphered long ago.
MarcoP > 15-12-2022, 10:54 AM
(15-12-2022, 08:14 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(15-12-2022, 12:52 AM)pfeaster Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.One cause for concern might be that definite articles don't seem to match their nouns in gender, number, and case, as they typically would in GreekYou underline here the known difficulties, if they did not exist the text would have been deciphered long ago.