ReneZ > 16-12-2022, 01:10 AM
(15-12-2022, 08:14 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You underline here the known difficulties, if they did not exist the text would have been deciphered long ago.
Ruby Novacna > 16-12-2022, 06:11 PM
(15-12-2022, 10:54 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....this old basic method has been debunked so many times during the last century. Simple substitutions failed over and over again with several European languages, Greek included,I don't quite understand your logic, Marco.
... Research can follow three other directions:
[*]A simple substitution / phonetic rendering...
Ruby Novacna > 16-12-2022, 06:48 PM
(16-12-2022, 01:10 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In addition to Marco's response, I would argue that 'inconsistency in grammar' is not a difficulty or problem of the MS text, but a difficulty/problem of proposed solutions.Thanks, Rene, it's good to know that the grammatical difficulties are not related to the text itself.
MarcoP > 17-12-2022, 06:19 PM
(15-12-2022, 10:54 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Simple substitutions failed over and over again with several European languages, Greek included, and we know why. As you say, if this simple method worked, the text would have been deciphered long ago.
Simple substitutions of European languages are therefore excluded. Research can follow three other directions:
- ...
- ...
- A simple substitution / phonetic rendering of an artificial language or possibly an exotic language (e.g. a monosyllabic language, as proposed by Stolfi).
(16-12-2022, 06:11 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't quite understand your logic, Marco.
Ruby Novacna > 17-12-2022, 06:49 PM
ReneZ > 18-12-2022, 01:28 AM
(17-12-2022, 06:49 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thank you, Marco, for your explanations.
So it's not the method that doesn't work, but rather that the few researchers who try to apply it have not yet been successful?
nablator > 18-12-2022, 09:44 AM
(18-12-2022, 01:28 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The combination: classical Greek and simple substitution will not work.But Ruby does not advocate a "simple" substitution or any specific language/dialect.
I am aware that there is not just one 'classical Greek' but there is a whole range of languages and/or dialects.
They are all excluded.
ReneZ > 18-12-2022, 10:27 AM
(18-12-2022, 09:44 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(18-12-2022, 01:28 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The combination: classical Greek and simple substitution will not work.
I am aware that there is not just one 'classical Greek' but there is a whole range of languages and/or dialects.
They are all excluded.
But Ruby does not advocate a "simple" substitution or any specific language/dialect.
Quote:3. daiin = των, "the" (masculine accusative)
10. aiin = οὖν, "therefore"
Ruby Novacna > 18-12-2022, 02:27 PM
(18-12-2022, 10:27 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There is just a lot of variability in mapping Voynich characters to Greek, which is needed to obtain a sufficient number of valid Greek words. That is characteristic of all similar attempts, by the way.Rene, you could form an opinion about my work by visiting my blog and not based on someone else's opinion. What Patrick Feaster wrote did not come from my blog, he wrote it on his own, probably thinking he copied it correctly.
As an example, taken from Patrick Feaster's post:
Quote:3. daiin = των, "the" (masculine accusative)
10. aiin = οὖν, "therefore"
nablator > 18-12-2022, 02:37 PM
(18-12-2022, 10:27 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.From what I have seen, it is not fundamentally different from a simple substitution.It does not preserve word length or entropy.