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• RE: Rosettes and Revelations Pt.1: The Holy City - Koen Gheuens and Cary Rapaport

  Mark Knowles > 11-12-2024, 08:38 AM

  (11-12-2024, 01:32 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (10-12-2024, 01:30 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hear are a few examples of map waves and hashing:
  
  There are 4 examples showing hashing where water meets land. And there are 4 examples showing water represented by blue and wavy lines.

  
  While I always enjoy seeing examples of historical images, many of these are not at all from the early 15th century. Some could be older but some are definitely newer. I only checked the Ferrara map and it is from 1679 (approx).

  
  You are right that some are not from the early 15th century. The examples showing hashing are more variable in dates. However many are from around that time period particularly those illustrating the blue and white wavy lines. I will see if I can get you a list of dates of the various illustrations. When I finish my write up of this I will show with examples that water represented that way is a particular feature of that time period and region are differently represented in other regions and time periods.

• RE: Rosettes and Revelations Pt.1: The Holy City - Koen Gheuens and Cary Rapaport

  Mark Knowles > 11-12-2024, 08:54 AM

  Here is an illustration of the Venetian Fra Mauro map, completed in 1459. This is the most famous map of the 15th century. Again we see blue and white wavy lines representing water and distinctly drawn distributed buildings just as we see in the Voynich manuscript. And it is Northern Italian and from around the time of the Voynich manuscript.

• RE: Rosettes and Revelations Pt.1: The Holy City - Koen Gheuens and Cary Rapaport

  Mark Knowles > 11-12-2024, 09:05 AM

  British maps don't tend to use blue and white wavy lines to represent water, often using green.

• RE: Rosettes and Revelations Pt.1: The Holy City - Koen Gheuens and Cary Rapaport

  Aga Tentakulus > 11-12-2024, 09:06 AM

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• RE: Rosettes and Revelations Pt.1: The Holy City - Koen Gheuens and Cary Rapaport

  Mark Knowles > 11-12-2024, 09:20 AM

  Here is another map again with blue and white wavy lines representing water and hashing representing the boundary between land and sea. If we couldn't read the labels and so didn't know it is a map would we be saying it was a map? This example shows that the Voynich "map", if that is what it is, is not unique in having its own unique form of layout.

• RE: Rosettes and Revelations Pt.1: The Holy City - Koen Gheuens and Cary Rapaport

  Koen G > 11-12-2024, 10:01 AM

  The fact that you can only find late examples of the hashing you refer to might simply mean that it is a practice that postdates the VM.

• RE: Rosettes and Revelations Pt.1: The Holy City - Koen Gheuens and Cary Rapaport

  Mark Knowles > 11-12-2024, 10:46 AM

  (11-12-2024, 10:01 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The fact that you can only find late examples of the hashing you refer to might simply mean that it is a practice that postdates the VM.

  I will try at some point to create a list of all 14th and 15th century Northern Italian maps as there are not so many that I know of.

• RE: Rosettes and Revelations Pt.1: The Holy City - Koen Gheuens and Cary Rapaport

  Mark Knowles > 11-12-2024, 11:02 AM

  Here is screenshot from a Genoese map from 1457. We can see blue and white wavy lines, hashing and distinctly drawn distributed buildings(I will see if I can find a higher resolution version, but this should nevertheless be clear):
  
  Mappa Mundi 1457
  Florence, Biblioteca Nazionale Centrale, Portolano
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• RE: Rosettes and Revelations Pt.1: The Holy City - Koen Gheuens and Cary Rapaport

  Koen G > 11-12-2024, 11:17 AM

  Still showing that there appears to have been a change in map makers' customs post-VM. And the sequence of land-"hashing"-waves is still in the wrong order.

• RE: Rosettes and Revelations Pt.1: The Holy City - Koen Gheuens and Cary Rapaport

  Mark Knowles > 11-12-2024, 11:23 AM

  (11-12-2024, 11:17 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Still showing that there appears to have been a change in map makers' customs post-VM. 

  
  How so?
  
  There aren't so many Northern Italian maps dated from between 1404 and 1438, and some of them are local maps of specific cities and therefore don't illustrate bodies of water.
  
  

  (11-12-2024, 11:17 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.And the sequence of land-"hashing"-waves is still in the wrong order.

  
  In my interpretation of the rosettes folio next to the hashing is land. So the sequence is not in the wrong order just that the external causeway land water boundary is illustrated with "hashing" whilst the internal causeway land water boundary is not, probably for stylistic reasons and as it is more important to highlight the external boundary as the internal boundary is marked by other features.
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