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  -JKP- > 07-04-2019, 04:39 AM

  As far as I can tell by scrutinizing the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. column text very closely for years and years, the first two rows  (which are very close together) are the same hand and they are offset by one character (an attempt at trying to decipher using a simple substitution cipher, it looks like).
  
  There is a partial third row (the one Anton indicated) and a very partial and hard-to-see fourth row (additional attempts?).

• RE: my suggestion about the author of MV

  bi3mw > 07-04-2019, 09:43 AM

  (06-04-2019, 08:56 PM)rasiratros Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
  Agrippa lived in Netherlands for 5 years 
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  Agrippa worked as a doctor in Antwerp ( late 1528 ) until this activity was banned by the local medical faculty. The governor of the Spanish Netherlands, Margarethe of Austria, later employed Agrippa von Nettesheim for a short time as a court historiographer ( 1529 ). After his dismissal, his creditors took him to the Brussels debt-prison ( late 1530 ). From there he probably went back to Mechelen until March 1532. In any case, he went back to Cologne afterwards and never returned to the Netherlands.
  
  How long he spent exactly in the Spanish Netherlands is not written in the official German biography. But it only seems to have been around two to maximal three and a half years ( if he really returned to Mechelen ).
  
  
  P.S: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is a list of works of Agrippa von Nettesheim published in the Netherlands ( no title in dutch ).
  Brill 2011, Netherlandish books published in the Low Countries ... before 1601, Vol.1, A. Pettegree , M. Walsby, Page 11

• RE: my suggestion about the author of MV

  Aldis Mengelsons > 07-04-2019, 02:10 PM

  (06-04-2019, 08:56 PM)rasiratros Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (04-04-2019, 07:14 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (04-04-2019, 05:19 PM)rasiratros Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Agrippa lived and worked in Cologne. From the current border with the Netherlands it is 50 km. At that time it was one country.

  
  You're right that Altkölnisch would have been closer to Middle Dutch than Middle High German is, but I read it still had High German influences. And the page you posted is really just Dutch - I'd be very surprised if this was the dialect from Cologne. Probably Helmut can confirm.

  
  Agrippa lived in Netherlands for 5 years 
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  What I believe Agrippa was one of the six apprentices of Teacher(after 50 pages of translating they showing up few names which don't really make sense about 15th century), well must be five more "followers" and five more books.T hey probably in different languages and even with different illustrations. I have no theories about the text, just reading, but the question is about to where to find other copies. China?(few times was mentioned wagtail) India?(silver coin which was used much moreearlier)Arabians?(some pages have camel riders)...any ideas?

• RE: my suggestion about the author of MV

  rasiratros > 08-04-2019, 05:23 PM

  I compared some elements of the VM with Agrippa's drawings and execution. The star sometimes has a point inside, and if we accept that the second drawing is a drawing of the stars by his hand, you can see similar outlines with oblique rays.
  
  

• RE: my suggestion about the author of MV

  rasiratros > 08-04-2019, 05:43 PM

  
  

• RE: my suggestion about the author of MV

  bi3mw > 08-04-2019, 05:44 PM

  It would be good if you would link the sources of your examples.- I currently only see two copies of the same work with different typographies and in different languages.

• RE: my suggestion about the author of MV

  rasiratros > 08-04-2019, 05:55 PM

  (07-04-2019, 04:39 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.As far as I can tell by scrutinizing the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. column text very closely for years and years, the first two rows  (which are very close together) are the same hand and they are offset by one character (an attempt at trying to decipher using a simple substitution cipher, it looks like).
  
  There is a partial third row (the one Anton indicated) and a very partial and hard-to-see fourth row (additional attempts?).

   yes. i agree. it can be so, but why the second column "b" doesn't match to firs column "b". or this is not "b"? maby its a number"3", and opposite first "d" is a number "2"

• RE: my suggestion about the author of MV

  rasiratros > 08-04-2019, 05:59 PM

  (08-04-2019, 05:44 PM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It would be good if you would link the sources of your examples.- I currently only see two copies of the same work with different typographies and in different languages.

  
  yes. of course. i'm sorry. 
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• RE: my suggestion about the author of MV

  -JKP- > 08-04-2019, 06:07 PM

  (08-04-2019, 05:23 PM)rasiratros Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I compared some elements of the VM with Agrippa's drawings and execution. The star sometimes has a point inside, and if we accept that the second drawing is a drawing of the stars by his hand, you can see similar outlines with oblique rays.
  [drawings deleted to save space]

  
  Both of those drawings are woodblock prints (well, one of them might be an engraving, but if it is, it's a crude one). It's very unlikely that it's Agrippa's drawing, It may have been adapted from a sketch by Agrippa, but the final product was probably produced by whoever carved the woodblock and sometimes they consulted a number of references in the process of designing the blocks.

• RE: my suggestion about the author of MV

  Anton > 08-04-2019, 06:17 PM

  Quote:why the second column "b" doesn't match to firs column "b". or this is not "b"? maby its a number"3", and opposite first "d" is a number "2"

  
  The second column contains Voynichese symbols, the writer tried to guess correspondence between those and Latin letters, in an attempt of deciphering the text as a plain substitution cipher.
  
  The "h" in the first row looks very characteristically, I wonder whether the first row can be approximately dated according to the shapes of letters. I also wonder if this handwriting matches that of any known VMS owners. Is not this Sinapius' or Baresch's writing?
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