Anton > 05-04-2019, 12:37 PM
Quote: If the VMS is inherently deceptive about the nature of the text, either because it is strongly coded or encrypted (an anachronism in the 15th century), or because it represents something else than language, then everything else prima facie about the VMS (an otherwise unremarkable herbal/astrological/medicinal manuscript) is probably nothing but deception and misdirection too.
nablator > 05-04-2019, 02:07 PM
(05-04-2019, 12:37 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What though there are hints about the subject? Everybody knows that you are a medical man and an astrologer. You won't hide that, and you will not, because that's what brings you money. What you'd like to hide are exact pieces of knowledge, so that if your fellow astrologer crushes your skull and steals your book, he is not able to make use of it. You generally won't care about researchers half a millennium since, and (to be honest) even those cannot boast much success up to date
Anton > 05-04-2019, 02:53 PM
nablator > 05-04-2019, 03:47 PM
(05-04-2019, 02:53 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Also there are definitely no reasons to state that the text was designed to look "silly". In those years people had no idea of statistics, entropy, noone would have calculated how many paragraphs start with gallows and bother about whether otol and odaiin are both mentioned in the first page or not. It is almost impossible that anyone in 15th century would have carefully modelled the "silly" look of the text with all its observed characteristics. Say, it was some process which, by its inherent properties, made the text look as it is - or it was a synthetic language that looks "silly" by unpretentiousness of the design, but not by the latter's intention to make it look "silly".
Anton > 05-04-2019, 06:34 PM
Antonio García Jiménez > 05-04-2019, 08:42 PM
bi3mw > 05-04-2019, 10:18 PM
(05-04-2019, 08:42 PM)Antonio García Jiménez Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Getting back to the Collection of alchemical, technical, medical, magic and divinatory tracts posted by Paris, the magic characters remind me of some of the Liber de quindecim stellis which describes the virtues of fifteen stars, stones, herbs and magic characters.Which magic characters do you mean and in which manuscript? There are several works from "Liber de quindecim stellis". I only know this one but that's probably not the one you mean:
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bi3mw > 06-04-2019, 12:16 AM
-JKP- > 06-04-2019, 12:56 AM
(05-04-2019, 08:42 PM)Antonio García Jiménez Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Getting back to the Collection of alchemical, technical, medical, magic and divinatory tracts posted by Paris, the magic characters remind me of some of the Liber de quindecim stellis which describes the virtues of fifteen stars, stones, herbs and magic characters. I've seen these characters in the book Magic in medieval manuscripts by Sophie Page. One of them is very similar to one of the Voynich, the extended Eva-t.