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• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 21-12-2024, 01:27 PM

  That the one-legged gallows are a representation of the sun in the lunar nodes (caput and cauda draconis), would explain the fact that these glyphs are mostly seen in the first lines of the paragraphs, as they are special and rare positions of the sun. 
  
  We have one of the signs that corroborates this possibility in the cosmological diagram of f57v. As is known, here a series of glyphs are repeated in order four times. They are the same except for the one-legged gallows. If we divide the circle into two hemispheres, in the first one we see one of the gallows with one leg and in the other hemisphere we see the other gallows with one leg, the one with an arrowhead. This does not occur with two-legged gallows, which are repeated in both hemispheres in the same way as in a mirror.
  
  The reason for this could be that in both hemispheres we see the sun in the same way, but when the sun is at the lunar nodes in one hemisphere it is in the caput draconis and in the other in cauda draconis.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 24-12-2024, 01:44 PM

  Given the large number of views on my thread, I assume that many people are curious about such a strange theory. I am certainly convinced that the script is nothing more than an astronomical system, but if I have reached that conclusion it is, apart from the revealing shape of the glyphs, because of the imagery of the VM, whose message for me is the astral influence on the plants.
  
  Whether or not you agree with my ideas, what I see in many who are interested in the VM is that they approach this codex as they would approach a cultural product of the 21st century. For me, one of the most difficult things in relation to the VM is to look at it with the eyes that its creators looked at it, and try to understand it with their mentality and beliefs that are so different from ours.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 29-12-2024, 05:56 PM

  I have become more and more inclined to believe that a space, though not intended to deceive, must not necessarily be regarded as a mark of division between two words or concepts.
  
  This observation that Brigadier John Tiltman made in his report to Friedman in 1951 has great value. It casts a suspicion that has since been present in everyone who has scrutinized the Voynich script. It is easy to verify that there are strings of consecutive glyphs that can be separated or together forming a single chain. There doesn't seem to be a problem, so the spaces seem optional. Added to this is the fact that sometimes it is not known when one string ends and another begins as the spaces between them are not well delimited.
  
  For me these characteristics have to do with the method of generating the glyph strings, which is a mechanical method, whether wheels with inscribed glyphs or superimposed discs like those of medieval astronomical Volvelles. It is as if the authors could transfer the strings of glyphs to the parchment as a continuum or space them so that they look like words of a language.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 02-01-2025, 06:16 PM

  I think the shape of the glyphs is not valued enough. Its authors chose it in such a way that some of them replicate themselves as in a mirror. We see it for example in the gallows and the benches. And not only is their shape almost similar, they also form strings of identical glyphs.
  
  This property of the script has such a capacity of attraction for the researcher that when the glyphs are replaced by letters of the alphabet one feels that a fundamental quality that the authors put in the script is being lost. It is noteworthy that the glyph that resembles the number 8 is also replicated with the glyph that resembles the number 4 as it was written in Voynich times. One is just double the other.
  
  All this leads me to think of a sphere and its two hemispheres. But maybe someone has another explanation.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 06-01-2025, 06:40 PM

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  Look at the glyphs on the penultimate line of f11r. They are too loose, as if they did not constitute a string and were independent units. There are more examples of this throughout the script, but there are also examples of the opposite. Glyphs that form a large chain as if the spaces mean nothing, such as f53r. The first string
  
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  What can all this mean? For me, simply, as I have said many times, glyphs are like Lego pieces that authors place at will following certain rules, but rules in which spaces do not count.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  HermesRevived > 07-01-2025, 06:23 AM

  Keep going Antonio. I think these are all worthwhile surmises about the astrological notation. I am finding your observations useful.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Linda > 07-01-2025, 07:35 AM

  (24-12-2024, 01:44 PM)Antonio García Jiménez Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Given the large number of views on my thread, I assume that many people are curious about such a strange theory. I am certainly convinced that the script is nothing more than an astronomical system, but if I have reached that conclusion it is, apart from the revealing shape of the glyphs, because of the imagery of the VM, whose message for me is the astral influence on the plants.
  
  Whether or not you agree with my ideas, what I see in many who are interested in the VM is that they approach this codex as they would approach a cultural product of the 21st century. For me, one of the most difficult things in relation to the VM is to look at it with the eyes that its creators looked at it, and try to understand it with their mentality and beliefs that are so different from ours.

  
  I have noticed the evolution of your ideas, it is interesting, so I continue to read your posts to see how your ideas progress. However, I don't think the mentality of people of the time was that different than now. Of couse you will still have different sectors of society and some would be a little harder to relate to than others, especially if there was some sort of neurodiverse thinking going on. Translations into modern English of medieval writings in the sciences at least, read a lot like things from the much more recent past. It is an evolution too, as things come closer to the present, the more things get figured out.
  
  This is written by someone who died 2000 years ago (Strabo, please forgive my choice of example)...It may have gained something from the translation, I would not know since I can't read in the original language, but still, this is not alien thinking. 
  
  ...wide learning, which alone makes it possible to undertake a work on geography, is possessed solely by the man who has investigated things both human and divine — knowledge of which, they say, constitutes philosophy. And so, too, the utility of geography — and its utility is manifold, not only as regards the activities of statesmen and commanders but also as regards knowledge both of the heavens and of things on land and sea, animals, plants, fruits, and everything else to be seen in various regions — the utility of geography, I say, presupposes in the geographer the same philosopher, the man who busies himself with the investigation of the art of life, that is, of happiness.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  ReneZ > 07-01-2025, 08:34 AM

  (07-01-2025, 07:35 AM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.However, I don't think the mentality of people of the time was that different than now.

  
  I do think that the mentality was very very different...
  BUT!...
  
  that is not enough to explain the Voynich MS.
  In their different mentality they also wrote tens of thousands of normal books...

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 07-01-2025, 12:49 PM

  As you say René, at the time of Voynich thousands of normal books were made. And as science advances, books will become more and more normal. Because we call normal what we can understand. But in the time of the VM there was a sensitivity for the magical and wonderful that we have lost.
  
  In the northern hemisphere it is now winter and we all know that it is cold and it can snow because the sun's rays hit the Earth with a greater inclination. But what an enlightened person from the Middle Ages knew was that it is cold and snowing because the sun is in the sign of Capricorn. That is, it was the power of the stars of this zodiac sign that was the cause.
  
  In Voynich I believe that this magical and incomprehensible mentality for us is shown: the power of the stars. It is the zodiacal stars that create all those wonderful herbs that we see in the codex.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 10-01-2025, 12:43 PM

  One of the things that surprises me most about people who believe that the VM is a genuine document, as is my case, is that there are those who think that it is a meaningless work. For me it would be much more mysterious if it didn't make sense than if it did. It is impossible for me to think that an authentic document in which so much work has been invested is meaningless.
  
  For me things are simpler. There is a meaning underlying the Voynich. There is a solution, be it mine or any other. To think otherwise is to assume our lack of knowledge or our lack of sensitivity with a mentality very far from our own.
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