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• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 04-12-2024, 10:22 PM

  Koen, I ask you to please prevent these intrusions from R. Sale. He's been doing them for years. He does not limit himself to making comments on the topic I propose but takes the opportunity to tell his own vision and theory about the VM. He even created a thread with a name similar to mine.
  
  As administrator of this forum, I ask you Koen to put an end to these incorrect practices.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  R. Sale > 05-12-2024, 12:31 AM

  Seriously?! I agreed and cited additional examples of the need for critical, if not expert, opinion on various VMs related topics - and there's a problem with that?

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 05-12-2024, 08:23 AM

  Heraldry, Mariology, white Aries, deception and trickery by the artist...You are constantly saying things that, from my point of view, are only in your imagination.
  
  You can say whatever you like. This is not an academic conference but a forum where everyone can say whatever nonsense occurs to them. I'm sure I've said some nonsense but I always do it in my thread, I don't invade other people's threads.
  
  Obviously, since my thread is the most read on the forum, what you are looking for is to have an audience for your ideas. I hope Koen stops this illicit way of proceeding.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Koen G > 05-12-2024, 09:21 AM

  Sorry I didn't read this before. R.Sale, I respect Antonio's continuous efforts to keep his theory confined to his own thread. Please also respect his wishes to keep your theories out of it.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 05-12-2024, 10:17 AM

  Thanks Koen

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 08-12-2024, 03:35 PM

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  This misnamed clock on the Rosettes page is of key importance to me in knowing the nature of the script. It is not a clock but an astrological diagram where we see a small circle joined to two others forming a triangle. It is actually an astrological aspect that shows the sun united with the moon in a trine aspect. We do see two moons because the sun joins it in the two halves of the sphere at 125 degrees.
  
  This is seen more clearly in this diagram with faces from f67v1, a folio in which we see represented the main astrological aspects that the sun forms with the moon.
  
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  And what is the importance of these images for the script? I think it helps to understand two of the glyphs in the script. First, the benches, which are two crescents joined together and which, for me, represent those two moons that form the trine in the two halves of the sphere.
  
  The inclined lines that we see in the astrological diagram on the Rosettes page are placed three by three in the areas of the sphere where the main astrological aspects occur. These little inclined lines are for me the glyphs that we see in the script and that follow other symbols. Sometimes we see only one line, other times two and other times three and they serve to position the stars on the sphere.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 10-12-2024, 06:39 PM

  I believe that the script is an astronomical-astrological system and the first thing is to make the following assumption: the glyph [c] is the symbol of the moon. When we see it repeated [cc] what it indicates is that the moon has changed its position, it has moved. The benches represent two moons joined at the top, but as I said in the previous post, they are joined because they indicate a position with respect to the sun in each half of the sphere. They are the astrological aspects, which are angular measurements with meaning for astrological predictions. 
  
  On the elliptical, which marks the path of the sun and other celestial objects, there are eight sections where astrological aspects occur. They are the sections marked by three inclined lines in the diagram on the Rosettes page. It is here where the two moons join to form the benches. In the rest of the elliptical the passage of the moon is marked by a single [c] without joining another. That's why we can see after a bench one [c] or two [cc].
  
  There is an obvious parallel between the two benches. The only difference is the curl that one of them has on top. But this is possibly because each of the benches marks the path of the moon through each of the two halves of the sphere. That is to say, one bench would be the waning moon and another the waxing moon. There have been several members of this forum who have said how the curl of the bench changes position and shape, and that perhaps what it indicates is the movement of the crescent moon and its change of shape.
  
  All this I say may sound very strange, but when you stop thinking in linguistic terms the possibility that the script is made up of ideograms becomes more evident.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 14-12-2024, 08:23 AM

  In the VM script the gallows are a representation of the sun. Those with two legs are the sun in each of the two hemispheres, and those with one leg are the sun in the lunar nodes, those called in the Middle Ages the head and tail of the dragon.
  
  This is what would explain this strange union of glyphs: why one of the benches fits under the gallows. It is a fusion of glyphs that represents the conjunction of the sun and the moon. When the conjunction of the bench occurs with the one-legged gallows, what is represented are the eclipses.
  
  The bench with a curl never joins the gallows because it represents the crescent moon until it reaches opposition with the sun, hence we see the curl change position and shape.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 17-12-2024, 07:58 PM

  Look at this You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. glyph string:
  
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  Or this string from f20r:
  
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  It is surprising how many times the scribe repeats the glyph [c]. Why this obsession? Didn't he have other types of strokes at his disposal to express what he wanted to express?
  
  Certainly, it would never have occurred to me to associate this glyph [c] with the symbol of the moon if I had not seen the moon drawn in the Voynich. And not once, but several times drawn.
  
  For this and other similar reasons I believe that the script is an astronomical visual code, and the glyph strings that I have included could be different positions of the moon.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 19-12-2024, 09:58 PM

  An obvious fact about the Voynich script is that paragraphs usually begin with a gallows. There are exceptions but in this case the exception confirms the rule.
  
  In my way of conceiving the script as an astronomical system, the gallows represent the sun in different positions. In this, the authors of the codex may have imitated the way in which medieval astronomical tables were made, in which the data were computed according to the meridian of the place and the passage of the sun meant the culmination and a fundamental piece of information.
  
  I do not believe that the paragraphs of the script are a computation of data in the form of astronomical tables, but I do think that they are like time cycles, of stars traveling around the celestial sphere.
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