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• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 05-11-2024, 01:11 PM

  There aren't many weaknesses in the Voynich. I mean, clues that allow us to find out its nature. However, there are some that are very significant. One of these weaknesses I've shown over the years is that weird outer quasi-circle of the f70r1. There has never been a desire to debate in depth about what is seen, perhaps because the great prejudice of language would collapse.
  
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  What we see are 9'os followed by other glyphs of the script. What are that series of o's? The logical thing is to think that they are also the [o] that we see throughout the entire Voynich script. In fact, it is the most common glyph.
  
  And what can that [o] mean in that quasi-circle of f70r1? Well, the most logical thing, given that we are dealing with a cosmological diagram, is to think that they are degrees of the sphere. In fact, there are dots on the rest of the circle that we see. The author has not drawn a line but these dots to highlight the fact that they are also o's. That is, 360 degrees of the sphere. Even today we write the degree symbol with a small circle.
  
  Therefore, if that glyph [o] is an astronomical symbol. Those that follow in that quasi-circle are logically also astronomical symbols.
  

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• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Linda > 06-11-2024, 02:29 AM

  Hit the image icon above (about midway, 2nd icon in the 4th group of icons). Enter the url, insert.
  Alternatively, add [img] and [/img] around your image url.
  

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 10-11-2024, 06:33 PM

  The f70r1 series of o's allows some insights into the nature of the script. The most obvious: the importance of this glyph [o], the most common of all, as the backbone of the script. In reality, [o] is the most ubiquitous glyph and even I believe that the spaces between glyph strings (the so-called words) are o's that have been suppressed.
  
  This hypothesis would explain why the vast majority of labels begin with the glyph [o], as if the authors wanted to underline the fact that these labels belong to a script that is an uninterrupted chain.
  
  It would also explain the LAAFU effect, the fact that the script responds to the continent of the page and there are privileged glyphs at the beginning and end of the lines of the so-called text. The authors conceive the succession of glyphs as a circular chain, with a beginning and an end, as in circular diagrams.
  
  I don't think it's necessary to share my theory that the script is an astronomical-astrological notation to agree that the f70r1 with the series of o's is a great source of inspiration.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 19-11-2024, 06:29 PM

  Returning to the importance of the [o] glyph for understanding the structure of the script, I now want to point out the fact that the glyphs Eva-a and Eva-y are variants of [o]. They both have the same round shape with a tail and there are strong relationships between the three glyphs in the formation of the strings.
  
  The relationship between these three glyphs has been explained by Emma May in several articles that I consider mandatory reading for anyone who wants to penetrate the structure of the script.
  
  For me however there is nothing linguistic in it. These glyphs simply represent zodiacal stars in the ecliptic and their different shape is conditioned by other astronomical elements such as the sun and the moon or by their relative position on the sphere.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 24-11-2024, 07:01 PM

  In medieval manuscripts stars were represented as small colored circles, drawn with points or a mixture of the two, as we see in the Voynich. Anyone who takes a look at the book will see the prominent presence that the stars have in it. Where this relationship is best seen is in the last section, where each piece of the script is headed by a star. Whatever the script means, the presence of the star in each paragraph is a clear sign of the importance that astronomy has in the book, not only in the imagery but also in the script.
  
  In many of the stars drawn in the VM you can clearly see a small central circle:
  
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  I believe that that same small circle is the glyph that we see in the script [o] and that therefore there is an obvious correspondence between the imagery and the script
  
  This correspondence becomes palpable or tangible in the literal sense in the upper star of that folio f58r, where we see how a thread coming out of the tip of the star joins the glyph that begins the script.
  
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• RE: No text, but a visual code

  R. Sale > 24-11-2024, 07:35 PM

  Take a look at the stars.
  
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• RE: No text, but a visual code

  StayAtHomeTraveller > 25-11-2024, 10:07 PM

  "No text, no letters, nothing phonetic, but a string of symbols, signs connected with its real reference, a visual code like hieroglyphics"
  
  What hieroglyphs are you talking about? because both the Mesoamerican script and the Egyptian script both encode phonetic information, both represent text, both have letters (unless you're using a definition that excludes them), I don't know what "connected with its real reference means"
  
  "The Voynich is an astronomical-astrological code because what the glyphs indicate through pictograms is the location in the sky of the stars which provide virtue to the medicinal herbs."
  
  Whenever someone says something with that level of certainty it's reason to heavily doubt, but I'll take it as your thesis. Again, I don't know what "indicate the location in the sky of the stars which provide virtue to the medicinal herbs", seems to just be word salad. Also, the Voynich script does not seem to be pictographical.
  
  "I think that there is no Latin nor any other language but yes, there are astrological symbols and Arab numbers too."
  
  Just for some advice, "Arabic" is preferred to "Arab" in English.
  
  "I think that the most common sign in the Voynich (o) indicates the grade of celestial sphere where is located the star or stars which give its virtue to a particular plant; and the arrow (letter q in EVA alphabet) which usually goes before the (o) like a prefix indicates the ortho, the star when comes out over the eastern horizon, the star in the Ascendant."
  
  Again you talk about "giving virtue to plants" which means nothing, and you have a string of supposed decipherements of the symbols, and yet no testing on that, no actual experimentation.
  
  "The imagery of the Voynich corresponds the text. They show the influence of the stars in the herbs"
  
  You said before there was no text. You wouldn't be using words you don't know the meaning of? Would you?
  
  "The Voynich however uses a new astronomical-astrological code. In the string of glyphs there are words repeated two or three times in a row because they are stars almost in the same place, very difficult of identifying."
  
  About the capitals; Alfonso the Wise, the epithet also goes in caps; but here again, if you could correlate these strings of symbols with actual stars or show how they could be used to locate stars this would make sense; so far it seems to be little more than a random idea you got while high (I'm not trying to insult you, I'm telling you that's how it reads; if you are right about this you should change your presentation so it doesn't come off like that).
  
  Honestly, I see nothing in the document beyond word salad; and I'm sad, because this could have been a great idea

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Koen G > 25-11-2024, 10:25 PM

  Quite an entry Welcome to the forum.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  Antonio García Jiménez > 26-11-2024, 01:27 PM

  Hello StayAtHomeTraveller:
  
  For more than six years I have written hundreds of posts, some more fortunate than others, logically. Throughout this time I have been refining my theory and changing some ideas, although the core remains the same. You haven't done anything I'm not used to. To criticize me, you have taken expressions that were not well formulated by me, especially at the beginning, but you have not entered other more refined posts, especially the most recent ones.
  
  You may be right that my theory is a great idea poorly explained with a word salad. In reality, for me the most difficult thing about the VM is to explain to the humanity of the 21st century how the humanity of the 15th century saw the world. How can we talk about people who believed in spirits, in magic, in astrology, in so many things that seem pure fiction to us but that for them were very real?
  
  It is in this almost incredible context that an idea like the Voynich script being an astronomical-astrological notation is not only possible but quite probable. I am convinced that this codex is part of the Hermetic tradition, a current of thought that runs through the entire Middle Ages from Antiquity to the Renaissance. In this tradition, the astral influence on terrestrial phenomena, on life on Earth, is essential.
  
  I believe that when it is clearly seen that the hundreds of female figures that populate the Voynich are simply a representation of the stars in the sky, a giant step will have been taken in the understanding of this codex.

• RE: No text, but a visual code

  argo2001 > 26-11-2024, 03:11 PM

  (26-11-2024, 01:27 PM)Antonio García Jiménez Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It is in this almost incredible context that an idea like the Voynich script being an astronomical-astrological notation is not only possible but quite probable. I am convinced that this codex is part of the Hermetic tradition.

  I used to be a Hermeticist, and I see no classic Hermetic symbology or concepts in the text. Also, Hermeticism was non-existent in Europe prior to late 1470s.
  
  Overall there does not appear to be a lot of occult concepts. It mainly appears to be an alchemical/medical text. The first botanical section is full of words that appear near stars - in herbalism this is common - my grandma (born 1931 in rural Slovakia) was a herbalist, who got all her knowledge from family tradition. When she went to collect herbs, she always did collect them under certain conditions, based on time of year, moon and stars. Some plants had to be gathered one day after full moon to be prepared. Other plants had to be gathered only when certain constellation was rising etc.
  
  VMS appears to be that.
  
  The star charts are to familiarize the user with celestial movements.
  The part where women are bathing could be some preparation way - cooking, drying, extracting oils.
  The botanical part near the end appears to work with roots of those plants, and their properties or uses.
  And the last part full of text might be how to use all the knowledge prior disclosed in the VMS.
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