Character entropy of Voynichese
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(25-01-2016, 09:28 AM)ReneZ wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The entropy is anomalously low, independent of the transcription alphabet. Indeed, there are different results depending on which alphabet is used, but these differences are significantly smaller than the anomaly observed.
Bennett in the 1970's (who first noted the anomalous values) used something similar to Currier's alphabet. Certainly, Eva should not be used for this type of analysis.


Indeed, the way to arrive at something similar to a 'normal' language is by compressing the Voynich text, i.e. combining characters.


However, this is just part of the picture.

I have to agree with Rene that the VMS does suffer from low entropy.  What I noticed when I enciphered a paragraph from JKP's site using a number system is that when I hit the picture I could simply lower the character count yet it still would equal the vord number.  Also notice that when I used the Pythagorean number system table I managed to make it look like a language in just 1 paragraph thus having a frequency set.

Using this system it quite easy to shorten long words and still maintain the look and feel of a language.  The system I use is kinda of a grill like Gordon Rugg suggests.

An interesting comparison would be is to know the average length of a voynich vord and compare with my little paragraph to see if I'm on to something.  Another fact is that the Voynich Manuscript could be a copy of another book as it was easy for me to just make up glyph's and use the Pythagorean table.

Just looking at my paragraph it would seem that I have almost an exact match for 5.5 average.
let me do some math Smile
Here is my calculation for the paragraph.

1(8 letter word) 1 (7 letter word) 7(6 letter words) 6 (5 letter words) 8 ( 4 letter words) 9 ( 3 letter words) 13 ( 2 letter words) 7 (1 letter words)

52 total vords

52/1 + 52/1 + 52/7 + 52/6 + 52/8 + 52/9 + 52/13 + 52/7
___________________________________________________= 5.22 average

8

As you can see just from a simple sample, I'm almost dead on to the Voynich Manuscript!  Maybe there is something to be said about math and language combined and some sort of universal thinking using the two.
Quote: The average word length for voynich glyph's is 5.5.
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Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 23-01-2016, 02:08 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by ReneZ - 25-01-2016, 09:28 AM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by stellar - 04-11-2016, 11:18 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 25-01-2016, 11:53 AM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 25-01-2016, 07:36 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by ReneZ - 26-01-2016, 08:17 AM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Davidsch - 16-03-2016, 01:20 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 16-03-2016, 02:37 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Davidsch - 18-03-2016, 11:30 AM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 18-03-2016, 12:15 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by ReneZ - 18-03-2016, 12:19 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Davidsch - 18-03-2016, 04:52 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Sam G - 19-03-2016, 05:44 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Torsten - 19-03-2016, 06:37 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 19-03-2016, 06:19 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Sam G - 19-03-2016, 07:05 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by ReneZ - 20-03-2016, 12:47 AM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Torsten - 19-03-2016, 07:32 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Sam G - 19-03-2016, 07:36 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Torsten - 19-03-2016, 07:44 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Sam G - 19-03-2016, 08:09 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Torsten - 19-03-2016, 08:33 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 19-03-2016, 09:26 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Davidsch - 19-03-2016, 10:44 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Torsten - 20-03-2016, 12:24 AM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Davidsch - 20-03-2016, 12:26 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Torsten - 20-03-2016, 02:42 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by ReneZ - 21-03-2016, 02:24 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 20-03-2016, 01:41 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Davidsch - 20-03-2016, 06:09 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Torsten - 21-03-2016, 12:22 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 02-11-2016, 09:14 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Sam G - 06-11-2016, 12:13 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by -JKP- - 06-11-2016, 12:27 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Sam G - 06-11-2016, 06:26 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 03-11-2016, 01:25 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Davidsch - 03-11-2016, 03:26 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 03-11-2016, 04:02 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 03-11-2016, 04:27 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by -JKP- - 04-11-2016, 01:17 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Koen G - 03-11-2016, 04:31 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 03-11-2016, 04:34 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Koen G - 03-11-2016, 04:37 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 03-11-2016, 05:21 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Davidsch - 03-11-2016, 05:23 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 03-11-2016, 05:45 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 05-11-2016, 10:54 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 06-11-2016, 12:50 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by -JKP- - 07-11-2016, 02:07 AM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Koen G - 07-11-2016, 05:00 AM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 07-11-2016, 02:44 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 10-11-2016, 06:32 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 05-01-2017, 12:12 AM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Koen G - 05-01-2017, 12:44 AM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 05-01-2017, 01:15 AM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Davidsch - 20-02-2017, 04:48 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Koen G - 20-02-2017, 05:20 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Davidsch - 20-02-2017, 05:22 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 13-12-2017, 01:25 AM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 13-12-2017, 01:47 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Koen G - 13-12-2017, 03:22 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 13-12-2017, 03:39 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by ReneZ - 14-12-2017, 06:21 AM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by ReneZ - 14-12-2017, 09:50 AM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Torsten - 14-12-2017, 04:47 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 14-12-2017, 01:54 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 14-12-2017, 04:14 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by ReneZ - 14-12-2017, 07:02 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Torsten - 16-12-2017, 01:18 AM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 14-12-2017, 07:43 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 16-12-2017, 01:35 AM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Torsten - 16-12-2017, 10:32 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 16-12-2017, 10:39 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Torsten - 16-12-2017, 11:39 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by -JKP- - 17-12-2017, 04:23 AM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 17-12-2017, 12:10 AM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 17-12-2017, 02:05 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Torsten - 17-12-2017, 02:40 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 17-12-2017, 02:55 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Torsten - 17-12-2017, 09:43 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 03-06-2018, 01:52 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 03-06-2018, 05:39 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 03-06-2018, 05:51 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by -JKP- - 03-06-2018, 06:10 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 03-06-2018, 06:23 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 04-06-2018, 02:52 PM
RE: Character entropy of Voynichese - by Anton - 13-04-2019, 01:01 AM

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