03-02-2026, 04:34 PM
@JoJo-Jost also @Aga Tentakulus and others who know German (and Bavarian)
Can I ask you (and others native to German in this forum) the following question? I can ask this in JoJo-Jost’s Bavarian study thread, but to avoid misunderstanding of relating it to my interpretation, I am posting it here.
The poem on Margaret Maultasch’s bridal cup says, “LIEBES LANGER MANGEL IST MIINES HERZEN ANGEL”. Noticeably it has short words, most having 6 characters, one being 5 and another 3; the double ‘I' is also interesting to me.
Can you detect any language clues as to whether it is Bavarian, any specific local dialect, or is it just a simple German (for the times)? Any local dialect that suggests its association with Tyrol (that would have to be assumed given the expression is already associated with her, from Tyrol)? From what I have read in your thread, the pattern of the poem fits well with brief short words you say you find in Bavarian. But this may be coincidental, if it is a more generic German (sorry, I know little about German language).
Can you also offer any better translation than the following I found being given online for the expression on the bridal cup? I added the “fishing” in the parenthesis, since it better associates the fishing connotation of the word ‘angel’ (and may account for the expected and unexpected fishing lines in the VM, perhaps). I am giving alternative versions below, but you may do better than all of them in translating it.
The preference I think it would be for a more poetic rendering, given the bridal cap context. In any case, she seems to have also been inclined to poetry and the arts (not to neglect plants given the images on the cup, plus lots of dots perhaps standing for grapes of wine, given the bridal cup or bowl must have implied drinking wine in it at the wedding, given Tyrol was a rich wine country and is still is with centuries old traditions such as Törggelen You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.).
“Love’s long deprivation is a (fishing) barb in my heart”
“Love’s long deprivation is a sting in my heart”
“Love’s long deprivation is a hook in my heart”
Can I ask you (and others native to German in this forum) the following question? I can ask this in JoJo-Jost’s Bavarian study thread, but to avoid misunderstanding of relating it to my interpretation, I am posting it here.
The poem on Margaret Maultasch’s bridal cup says, “LIEBES LANGER MANGEL IST MIINES HERZEN ANGEL”. Noticeably it has short words, most having 6 characters, one being 5 and another 3; the double ‘I' is also interesting to me.
Can you detect any language clues as to whether it is Bavarian, any specific local dialect, or is it just a simple German (for the times)? Any local dialect that suggests its association with Tyrol (that would have to be assumed given the expression is already associated with her, from Tyrol)? From what I have read in your thread, the pattern of the poem fits well with brief short words you say you find in Bavarian. But this may be coincidental, if it is a more generic German (sorry, I know little about German language).
Can you also offer any better translation than the following I found being given online for the expression on the bridal cup? I added the “fishing” in the parenthesis, since it better associates the fishing connotation of the word ‘angel’ (and may account for the expected and unexpected fishing lines in the VM, perhaps). I am giving alternative versions below, but you may do better than all of them in translating it.
The preference I think it would be for a more poetic rendering, given the bridal cap context. In any case, she seems to have also been inclined to poetry and the arts (not to neglect plants given the images on the cup, plus lots of dots perhaps standing for grapes of wine, given the bridal cup or bowl must have implied drinking wine in it at the wedding, given Tyrol was a rich wine country and is still is with centuries old traditions such as Törggelen You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.).
“Love’s long deprivation is a (fishing) barb in my heart”
“Love’s long deprivation is a sting in my heart”
“Love’s long deprivation is a hook in my heart”