28-12-2025, 01:08 AM
@ nablator, yes those are good examples, and I am aware that some have not been as legible as others. I was just focusing in my last post on that word only. In any case, if something is found to be worthy of attention, it is likely to start with just a word or two.
@ oshfdk, you have a good point that in the picture you copied, that could be a ‘t’ but that particular image does not look like an ‘a’ to me, and in any case that is not the “word” I was referring to. In the text near Pleiades stars, it seems convincingly an ‘a’ or what looks like it. I really don’t know how to explain that seeming exception to the rest of word matching Botrus and the adjacent image. I just wanted to bring this to all’s attention, as I had not seen others suggest that particular reading of the “word”.
Please note (and this is addressed to all, so to Rafal’s reply as well), I never claimed and I am not claiming that what is happening in that word is anything to be generalized (yet) as a cipher rule. I am just saying that for that one, single, word, there is nearly a 90% perfect matching of a Latin word (with standard abbreviations) with the image near it, and the exception of the ‘a’ may be hinting at something for your and other expertise to consider. That is all I was saying.
It may turned to be an extremely rare 90% coincidence, but for me it is very interesting.
@ Rafal, beside the point above, I wish to ask you and others, ReneZ as well, a question that has come up in my mind when reading your posts in rejecting some solution lacking grammatical expectation, i.e., being a “salad.” While this may make sense for a text we may suspect is not ciphered at all, why a “salad” itself could not be a ciphering method?
A poem, for example, may not meet grammar expectations, but a choice of words can convey a meaning, and even the multiple meaning may be intentional sometimes, as in metaphors, or as not giving away the author’s intent too easily. Why have we taken for granted that the author had to follow a grammatical order, rather than sharing key words to convey a meaning? Can a “word salad” be a way of keeping a writing private, inventing one’s own abbreviation rules and symbols, especially the text was intended as a personal notebook?
@ Jorge_Stofli, yes I am aware of your notes about the evidence of retracing, and it is very much possible they may have been retraced. The idea that sometimes re-inking the pen could introduce variations, as other researchers have point out, may explain some of them. I am not really sure. By the way, I am inclined to agree with you on the fruitfulness of an “origin theory” entry into solving the VM puzzle, as one of the possible venues, as I heard you present your talk on the panel. But, that approach itself can take a variety of forms.
@ Stefan Wirtz_2, of course you are entitled to your opinion, and if you don’t find value in what I wrote, you can just ignore it. I wish you the best in finding better ways of understanding that word, and I will be the first to congratulate you if you do so. Regarding your first point, it does not take a linguist or statistician (or even a sociologist) to notice a 90% matching of a word with a Latin translation and adjacent image. That’s all I was trying to say.
With apologies to all, I am not quoting passages from replies, in the interest of not making this longer.
@ oshfdk, you have a good point that in the picture you copied, that could be a ‘t’ but that particular image does not look like an ‘a’ to me, and in any case that is not the “word” I was referring to. In the text near Pleiades stars, it seems convincingly an ‘a’ or what looks like it. I really don’t know how to explain that seeming exception to the rest of word matching Botrus and the adjacent image. I just wanted to bring this to all’s attention, as I had not seen others suggest that particular reading of the “word”.
Please note (and this is addressed to all, so to Rafal’s reply as well), I never claimed and I am not claiming that what is happening in that word is anything to be generalized (yet) as a cipher rule. I am just saying that for that one, single, word, there is nearly a 90% perfect matching of a Latin word (with standard abbreviations) with the image near it, and the exception of the ‘a’ may be hinting at something for your and other expertise to consider. That is all I was saying.
It may turned to be an extremely rare 90% coincidence, but for me it is very interesting.
@ Rafal, beside the point above, I wish to ask you and others, ReneZ as well, a question that has come up in my mind when reading your posts in rejecting some solution lacking grammatical expectation, i.e., being a “salad.” While this may make sense for a text we may suspect is not ciphered at all, why a “salad” itself could not be a ciphering method?
A poem, for example, may not meet grammar expectations, but a choice of words can convey a meaning, and even the multiple meaning may be intentional sometimes, as in metaphors, or as not giving away the author’s intent too easily. Why have we taken for granted that the author had to follow a grammatical order, rather than sharing key words to convey a meaning? Can a “word salad” be a way of keeping a writing private, inventing one’s own abbreviation rules and symbols, especially the text was intended as a personal notebook?
@ Jorge_Stofli, yes I am aware of your notes about the evidence of retracing, and it is very much possible they may have been retraced. The idea that sometimes re-inking the pen could introduce variations, as other researchers have point out, may explain some of them. I am not really sure. By the way, I am inclined to agree with you on the fruitfulness of an “origin theory” entry into solving the VM puzzle, as one of the possible venues, as I heard you present your talk on the panel. But, that approach itself can take a variety of forms.
@ Stefan Wirtz_2, of course you are entitled to your opinion, and if you don’t find value in what I wrote, you can just ignore it. I wish you the best in finding better ways of understanding that word, and I will be the first to congratulate you if you do so. Regarding your first point, it does not take a linguist or statistician (or even a sociologist) to notice a 90% matching of a word with a Latin translation and adjacent image. That’s all I was trying to say.
With apologies to all, I am not quoting passages from replies, in the interest of not making this longer.