22-12-2025, 08:40 PM
(This post was last modified: 23-12-2025, 04:29 AM by JoJo_Jost.
Edit Reason: corrected: wired in weird
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Weird lines in the VMS
So now, without ChatGPT, I examined everything manually myself.
Building on the Charms hypothesis outlined above, I was interested in how this could be verified using the manuscript layout itself. To do this, I wanted to know where the most extreme of these weird lines actually occur.
By ‘weird lines’ I mean lines that are dominated by repetitions, minimal letter shifts and derived word chains, whereby semantic differentiation seems to be secondary to phonetic and rhythmic variations.
If such lines function as incantations in the sense of voces magicae, one would expect them not to be distributed randomly. As in some charms, they would probably appear at the end of a text unit, where the spoken formula completes the potentially descriptive text.
And indeed, in the Herbal section, many of these weird lines are found at the end of the page (i.e. in the last or penultimate line).
This supports the thesis that they could be charms, litanies or spells.
If this is the case, it could mean the following: Since the words often appear more frequently in the overall text, the entire text would probably be interspersed with such spells, which would explain the many repetitions and similar words.
They are probably spells that invoke the power of plants so that they do not have to be used materially, and then in the later parts, the power of the planets, spells for strange vessels (I do not yet know what is to be conjured with the nymphs, and perhaps I do not want to know
) would be conceivable.
This, in turn, would perfectly explain why the VMS has not yet been deciphered and why there are such strange, seemingly contradictory statistical results. Whether such a text, riddled with magical phrases, could really reflect these statistical results perfectly would probably have to be clarified by the researchers who carried out these tests. I am not familiar enough with this area.
The worst thing about it would be that, if a coherent translation were found, the texts could look like strong ‘eisegesis’ – a terrible thought.
For how could one then prove that it is the correct translation?
As I said, many of these weird lines actually appear at the end of a page (last or penultimate line). I have highlighted the pages where this is the case with an orange background. The weird lines themselves are marked in green. (Otherwise, you can still see where words are repeated directly (red) and where words appear next to each other that differ by only one letter). Please excuse the long image, but I cannot display it any other way.
But first, here is a list of the weird lines i found, then you can help decide whether they belong or not (if two lines are next to each other, they should be read together)[and sorry for the long image, I don't know how else to display it.]
<f1v 8> okolshol kol kechy chol kychol cthol chody chol daiin
<f1r 27> ?eo? chol chok choty chotey
<f3r 4> schey chor chal chag cham cho
<f4r 8> shor shol shol cthy cpholdy
<f4r 12> soiin chaiin chain
<f5r 6> sho cheor chey qoeeey qoykeeey qoeor cthy shotshy
<f8r 18> okar cfhaiin chaiin cldaiin chor cha rchealcham
<f13r 3> s y dchor shaiin oeees ykor chor ytshy ykchy kchy dar
<f15v 9> otchol octhol chol chol chody kan
<f16v 9> dshy okaiin okaiin chol chor cthor ty chody
<f19r 11> qotchy qolody choldy cthyd
<f19v 13> yees ykchol oty ytor ytar ytchor ytaiin
<f20r 9> fchodees shody qotchey qokchey qocphy chokoldy
<f21r 6> dchor y kol y ky chol kol qokeol chol ol qoteeol dady
<f21r 11> shol chol shol tchol chcthy otyky shey yteol shody
<f25r 5> qotcheaiin dchain cthain daiin daiin cthain qotaiin <f25r 6> okal chotaiin
<f25v 6> qokcho r ochy qotchy qotoralcho @147; chain deeaiir s
<f26r 9> tcheoshy dchdy okedy chckhy sdydyykeechy okeedy cheky
<f26v 5> deeol cheody qoteedy qokody qotedy qotedy opchedy ofchy chs ar
<f27r 4> qokey chor char chy dchy keeychos cthody
<f27v 2> dchy chkar otchy shy shy dchy dshy kchy cheo daidy dchy
<f30r 11> qotchor cheor chey cheor chey so[eeb:een]ydeysor daiin
<f31r 10> tol shso okedy okedy qokedy qokeedy dar shedshey
<f31r 11> olsheol qokchy dal chey deey kchy keey okaiiin ykeey
<f33r 4> taiin chekey or al aiiin saiin okaiin dar cheedy chkeey far aiin s
<f33r 6> yteey shody kchedy dy chekar okaiin okaiin daiin okal
<f34v 1> k[e': s]chdy chdy chefchy shdy qopchdy shdydy chdalchdy ypchdy chcthdy spaiin
<f37v 4> dshor dytory dshor daiin <f37v 5> dchor qotol ykchon dain <f37v 6> yokor ytchor saiin oty
<f38v 6> sho keeey key tey daiin daiiin dain dain
<f40r 9> taiin ol olaiin ordain okaiin okaiin okaiin daram
<f42r 10> choty dol ksheo cthor otol cthol cholshol dain
<f42r 13> qopor shol shot shol shol daiin dain scheam
<f42r 20> shol chol shoky okol sho chol shol chal <f42r 21> shol chol chol shol ctoiin c'os odan
<f42v 3> sho chotody chotol oky chol choldl chcthy otoy
<f43r 3> yty yty oty she ody shy olor yteedy kaiin chky qotydy dar aiin ykam
<f43r 12> dor shol qokol shedy qotedy qokeedy qokody okeedy otedy shedy oty yty dy saiin
<f44r 9> otchol ol dchckhy qoky qotchy qokchy qokyd <f44r 10> qokchor okchy qoto ykol choky choky chol dam
<f44v 11> okal chol chol choky okaiin cthy otal
<f47r 6> folr chey so chol shol aiin shol shol chdy cholol
<f49v 40 > oaiin chy daiin chol chaiin kshardychokchy
<f54r 10> tor ol dol or chol chol ckhol okol okyytchor ol koldy
<f55v 5> qokaiin chaiin ykain ykan odydaiin chedy talam
<f56r 1> o@167;chal chchs@168;y oty esedy chy ychocphy chorchy chy
<f56r 4> qot chor chor chokor chkor chyokar chdy
<f56v 14> chol cheo kchol chol choky chotor
<f56v 15> otchol chol chol daiin chotaiin
<f57r 3> qokeeody cheooky qokeody sheey okeody cheody cheeody cheekeody <f57r 4> dchos cheocthy cheody qot[ee:ch]ody octhody okeeody chteody cheody s
<f65v 5> dshedy okeody qokdshckhy choky chokeody okey dy
<f66r 5> qokeeody qokeody qokeody qokar sheky qokeeody okedy kodary <f66r 6> ykeeody choekeey okeody chekeody qokeey dyky chctho rotaiin
So now, without ChatGPT, I examined everything manually myself.
Building on the Charms hypothesis outlined above, I was interested in how this could be verified using the manuscript layout itself. To do this, I wanted to know where the most extreme of these weird lines actually occur.
By ‘weird lines’ I mean lines that are dominated by repetitions, minimal letter shifts and derived word chains, whereby semantic differentiation seems to be secondary to phonetic and rhythmic variations.
If such lines function as incantations in the sense of voces magicae, one would expect them not to be distributed randomly. As in some charms, they would probably appear at the end of a text unit, where the spoken formula completes the potentially descriptive text.
And indeed, in the Herbal section, many of these weird lines are found at the end of the page (i.e. in the last or penultimate line).
This supports the thesis that they could be charms, litanies or spells.
If this is the case, it could mean the following: Since the words often appear more frequently in the overall text, the entire text would probably be interspersed with such spells, which would explain the many repetitions and similar words.
They are probably spells that invoke the power of plants so that they do not have to be used materially, and then in the later parts, the power of the planets, spells for strange vessels (I do not yet know what is to be conjured with the nymphs, and perhaps I do not want to know
) would be conceivable.This, in turn, would perfectly explain why the VMS has not yet been deciphered and why there are such strange, seemingly contradictory statistical results. Whether such a text, riddled with magical phrases, could really reflect these statistical results perfectly would probably have to be clarified by the researchers who carried out these tests. I am not familiar enough with this area.
The worst thing about it would be that, if a coherent translation were found, the texts could look like strong ‘eisegesis’ – a terrible thought.
For how could one then prove that it is the correct translation?
As I said, many of these weird lines actually appear at the end of a page (last or penultimate line). I have highlighted the pages where this is the case with an orange background. The weird lines themselves are marked in green. (Otherwise, you can still see where words are repeated directly (red) and where words appear next to each other that differ by only one letter). Please excuse the long image, but I cannot display it any other way.
But first, here is a list of the weird lines i found, then you can help decide whether they belong or not (if two lines are next to each other, they should be read together)[and sorry for the long image, I don't know how else to display it.]
<f1v 8> okolshol kol kechy chol kychol cthol chody chol daiin
<f1r 27> ?eo? chol chok choty chotey
<f3r 4> schey chor chal chag cham cho
<f4r 8> shor shol shol cthy cpholdy
<f4r 12> soiin chaiin chain
<f5r 6> sho cheor chey qoeeey qoykeeey qoeor cthy shotshy
<f8r 18> okar cfhaiin chaiin cldaiin chor cha rchealcham
<f13r 3> s y dchor shaiin oeees ykor chor ytshy ykchy kchy dar
<f15v 9> otchol octhol chol chol chody kan
<f16v 9> dshy okaiin okaiin chol chor cthor ty chody
<f19r 11> qotchy qolody choldy cthyd
<f19v 13> yees ykchol oty ytor ytar ytchor ytaiin
<f20r 9> fchodees shody qotchey qokchey qocphy chokoldy
<f21r 6> dchor y kol y ky chol kol qokeol chol ol qoteeol dady
<f21r 11> shol chol shol tchol chcthy otyky shey yteol shody
<f25r 5> qotcheaiin dchain cthain daiin daiin cthain qotaiin <f25r 6> okal chotaiin
<f25v 6> qokcho r ochy qotchy qotoralcho @147; chain deeaiir s
<f26r 9> tcheoshy dchdy okedy chckhy sdydyykeechy okeedy cheky
<f26v 5> deeol cheody qoteedy qokody qotedy qotedy opchedy ofchy chs ar
<f27r 4> qokey chor char chy dchy keeychos cthody
<f27v 2> dchy chkar otchy shy shy dchy dshy kchy cheo daidy dchy
<f30r 11> qotchor cheor chey cheor chey so[eeb:een]ydeysor daiin
<f31r 10> tol shso okedy okedy qokedy qokeedy dar shedshey
<f31r 11> olsheol qokchy dal chey deey kchy keey okaiiin ykeey
<f33r 4> taiin chekey or al aiiin saiin okaiin dar cheedy chkeey far aiin s
<f33r 6> yteey shody kchedy dy chekar okaiin okaiin daiin okal
<f34v 1> k[e': s]chdy chdy chefchy shdy qopchdy shdydy chdalchdy ypchdy chcthdy spaiin
<f37v 4> dshor dytory dshor daiin <f37v 5> dchor qotol ykchon dain <f37v 6> yokor ytchor saiin oty
<f38v 6> sho keeey key tey daiin daiiin dain dain
<f40r 9> taiin ol olaiin ordain okaiin okaiin okaiin daram
<f42r 10> choty dol ksheo cthor otol cthol cholshol dain
<f42r 13> qopor shol shot shol shol daiin dain scheam
<f42r 20> shol chol shoky okol sho chol shol chal <f42r 21> shol chol chol shol ctoiin c'os odan
<f42v 3> sho chotody chotol oky chol choldl chcthy otoy
<f43r 3> yty yty oty she ody shy olor yteedy kaiin chky qotydy dar aiin ykam
<f43r 12> dor shol qokol shedy qotedy qokeedy qokody okeedy otedy shedy oty yty dy saiin
<f44r 9> otchol ol dchckhy qoky qotchy qokchy qokyd <f44r 10> qokchor okchy qoto ykol choky choky chol dam
<f44v 11> okal chol chol choky okaiin cthy otal
<f47r 6> folr chey so chol shol aiin shol shol chdy cholol
<f49v 40 > oaiin chy daiin chol chaiin kshardychokchy
<f54r 10> tor ol dol or chol chol ckhol okol okyytchor ol koldy
<f55v 5> qokaiin chaiin ykain ykan odydaiin chedy talam
<f56r 1> o@167;chal chchs@168;y oty esedy chy ychocphy chorchy chy
<f56r 4> qot chor chor chokor chkor chyokar chdy
<f56v 14> chol cheo kchol chol choky chotor
<f56v 15> otchol chol chol daiin chotaiin
<f57r 3> qokeeody cheooky qokeody sheey okeody cheody cheeody cheekeody <f57r 4> dchos cheocthy cheody qot[ee:ch]ody octhody okeeody chteody cheody s
<f65v 5> dshedy okeody qokdshckhy choky chokeody okey dy
<f66r 5> qokeeody qokeody qokeody qokar sheky qokeeody okedy kodary <f66r 6> ykeeody choekeey okeody chekeody qokeey dyky chctho rotaiin