21-10-2024, 01:39 AM
[quote='tavie' pid='61795' dateline='1729451188']
My own headcanon is that final m is an abbreviation for more than one final cluster, but that it's a less desirable abbreviation used predominantly near line end or image breaks because it has lower information content, and that radical transformation is going on elsewhere in the word ... if (and that's a big 'if') the assumption below holds.
Tavie, what makes you believe that the percentage of certain letters are missing? In the highly inflective verbs, the mood dictates the percentage of verbs containing certain suffix.
I can show you how that works in Slovenian, where the information about number, gender, person and mood is contained in a suffix, comprised of one or two letters.
You can imagine different section of the VM being written in 1st person singular with predominant verbal ending -m, or in the past tense with predominant -al, il suffix, or the writing in imperative mood, such as is used in prayers and instructions, with predominant -y, dy ending.
If this were the case for the entire section, certain letters of the suffix would be far more common at the final position.
A similar verbal patterns apply for all the Slavic languages (although a suffix might be different, like -o instead of -l).
First person singular, present tense, indicative mood:
In the morning, I get up, drink my coffee and go to work. I work four hours, then I go home, stop at the store, buy a few things to cook lunch.
Slovenian:
Zjutraj vstanem, se umijem, popijem kavo in grem na delo. Delam štiri ure, potem grem domov, se mimogrede ustavim v trgovini, kupim nekaj stvari, da doma skuham kosilo. (am is EVA aiin)
First person, singular, past tense, masc. Gender, indicative mood:
Zljutraj sem vstal, se umil, popil kavo in odšel na delo. Delal sem štiri ure, potem sem šel domov, se mimogrede ustavil v trgovini, kupil nekaj stvari, da sem doma skuhal kosilo.
Second person singular, present tense, indicative mood:
Zjutraj vstaneš, se umiješ, popiješ kavo in greš na delo. Delaš štiri ure in greš domov in se mimogrede ustaviš v trgovini, kupiš nekaj stvari, da doma skuhaš kosilo. (š is EVA sh)
First person plural, present tense, indicative mood:
Zjutraj vstanemo, se umejemo, popijemo kavo in gremo na delo. Delamo štiri ure in gremo domov. Mimogrede se ustavimo v trgovini, kupimo nekaj stvari, da doma skuhamo kosilo. (mo is EVA iino – not found in VM)
First person plural, past tense, indicative mood (dialectal without final i )
Zjutraj smo vtal, se umil, popil kavo in šli na delo. Delal smo štiri ure in šli domov. Mimogrede smo se ustavil v trgovini, kupil nekaj stvari, da smo doma skuhal kosilo.(The sufix -il is EVA -m).
Second person singular, imperative mood:
Zjutraj vstani, se umij, popij kavo in idi na delo. Delaj štiri ure in idi domov. Mimogrede se ustavi v trgovini, kupi nekaj stvari in doma skuhaj kosilo.
Changing i and y to Voynich like writing:
Ziutray vstany, se umiy, popy kavo y ydy na delo. Delay štiry ure y ydy domov. Mimogrede se ustavy v trgoviny, kupy nekay stvary y doma skuhay kosilo. (Note the visual high frequency of the y suffix!)
My own headcanon is that final m is an abbreviation for more than one final cluster, but that it's a less desirable abbreviation used predominantly near line end or image breaks because it has lower information content, and that radical transformation is going on elsewhere in the word ... if (and that's a big 'if') the assumption below holds.
Tavie, what makes you believe that the percentage of certain letters are missing? In the highly inflective verbs, the mood dictates the percentage of verbs containing certain suffix.
I can show you how that works in Slovenian, where the information about number, gender, person and mood is contained in a suffix, comprised of one or two letters.
You can imagine different section of the VM being written in 1st person singular with predominant verbal ending -m, or in the past tense with predominant -al, il suffix, or the writing in imperative mood, such as is used in prayers and instructions, with predominant -y, dy ending.
If this were the case for the entire section, certain letters of the suffix would be far more common at the final position.
A similar verbal patterns apply for all the Slavic languages (although a suffix might be different, like -o instead of -l).
First person singular, present tense, indicative mood:
In the morning, I get up, drink my coffee and go to work. I work four hours, then I go home, stop at the store, buy a few things to cook lunch.
Slovenian:
Zjutraj vstanem, se umijem, popijem kavo in grem na delo. Delam štiri ure, potem grem domov, se mimogrede ustavim v trgovini, kupim nekaj stvari, da doma skuham kosilo. (am is EVA aiin)
First person, singular, past tense, masc. Gender, indicative mood:
Zljutraj sem vstal, se umil, popil kavo in odšel na delo. Delal sem štiri ure, potem sem šel domov, se mimogrede ustavil v trgovini, kupil nekaj stvari, da sem doma skuhal kosilo.
Second person singular, present tense, indicative mood:
Zjutraj vstaneš, se umiješ, popiješ kavo in greš na delo. Delaš štiri ure in greš domov in se mimogrede ustaviš v trgovini, kupiš nekaj stvari, da doma skuhaš kosilo. (š is EVA sh)
First person plural, present tense, indicative mood:
Zjutraj vstanemo, se umejemo, popijemo kavo in gremo na delo. Delamo štiri ure in gremo domov. Mimogrede se ustavimo v trgovini, kupimo nekaj stvari, da doma skuhamo kosilo. (mo is EVA iino – not found in VM)
First person plural, past tense, indicative mood (dialectal without final i )
Zjutraj smo vtal, se umil, popil kavo in šli na delo. Delal smo štiri ure in šli domov. Mimogrede smo se ustavil v trgovini, kupil nekaj stvari, da smo doma skuhal kosilo.(The sufix -il is EVA -m).
Second person singular, imperative mood:
Zjutraj vstani, se umij, popij kavo in idi na delo. Delaj štiri ure in idi domov. Mimogrede se ustavi v trgovini, kupi nekaj stvari in doma skuhaj kosilo.
Changing i and y to Voynich like writing:
Ziutray vstany, se umiy, popy kavo y ydy na delo. Delay štiry ure y ydy domov. Mimogrede se ustavy v trgoviny, kupy nekay stvary y doma skuhay kosilo. (Note the visual high frequency of the y suffix!)