18-07-2024, 09:50 PM
(This post was last modified: 19-07-2024, 12:23 AM by Ahmet Ardıç.)
(18-07-2024, 06:27 PM)Koen G wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Your statements about the Indo-European language and culture deny the scientific consensus and replace them by a politically motivated fringe theory. You will, of course, disagree with this assessment; you have bought into the idea that the whole field of comparative linguistics is a Eurocentric scam, so of course I will defend it. This is why talk like this will only lead to unpleasantness, which is why I would rather not have it here.
Since you are a fan of ChatGPT, I asked for its input:
Maybe you get it now.
But either way, it is off topic. Please stick to your Voynich theory.
Dear Koen G,
"Scientific consensus means the consensus of scientists." This is correct, as you have written and as the information shared by Chat GPT indicates, these are thoughts that reflect the views of the majority and are agreed upon. However, the history of science is always full of scientists who have broken down the information that was generally accepted by the "majority" in the past and added new knowledge with new findings.
Moreover, the fact that the majority accepted the existence of an event in the past does not prove that the event existed in the past. This is a consensus, but the evidence is something else, and you know that.
However, there is no single first-degree scientific evidence proving that this proposed PIE root language actually existed. It cannot be, because we are talking about thousands of years. But for the PIE theses, a significant portion of the words that were associated with about 400 languages through the help of about 60 to 100 words are also present in the Turkish language. This has been proven, but those who put forward the PIE view preferred to ignore the completely new findings. This behavior is outside the scientific approach and should be criticized.
Also, if linguistics claims that there is no connection between Turkish and Sumerian, which have a commonality of 1600 to 1700 words, but claim that 400 languages are from the same root just because they could match 100 of these words, would that be consistent? Although the obtained XYZ result suggests a commonality among 400 languages, why is the same XYZ result not sufficient to explain the commonality for S and T languages? This is not scientific, but a political, cinematic, or racist approach, and it has no place in science.
You cannot treat assumptions as evidence. Someone can come and prove that the world is not actually flat like a plate, and for a very long time after that, the widespread false ideas that the majority adhered to continue to be respected. If it weren't so, would there still be people today who believe that the world is flat after so many years have passed? The PIE thesis has collapsed, but the acceptance of its collapse may take time, but it is unstoppable.
Let me tell you what the problem is. The problem is the issue of conservatism in widespread scientific opinions. Multiple findings by different linguists have shown that the PIE assumption has collapsed. But just as those who understood the VM-Turkish content findings chose to remain silent, Western linguistics do not want to wake up from their beautifully concocted tales.
But rest assured, this state of sleep will not last long. Perhaps within the lifespan of our Generation Z, it will be understood that the PIE hypothesis is a skillfully fabricated, logic-deficient freak inference. These topics can be discussed while staying within the field of linguistics, not at a political level. Still, if you say not to enter into this discussion in a VM-content community, I will try to comply as much as possible. But I cannot guarantee it. If you have any reminders for those who distort my writing and write as if I have written things I have not, I think it would be more balanced. After all, I am the only person with my VM-Turkish views & materials here. So, I am considered a minority. Therefore, I expect you to oppose the injustice done to me and the distortion of my words as if I had written things I did not write."
