Calgary engineer believes he's cracked the mysterious Voynich Manuscript

[Ahmet Ardıç]

[quote="Ahmet Ardıç" pid='58931' dateline='1713281042']

["Wenn hinter fliegen fliegen fliegen, fliegen fliegen fliegen nach"
Wenn hinter robben robben robben, robben robben robben nach"

Und jetzt mit Tonverschiebung.

"Wenn hinter Griechen Griechen kriechen, kriechen Griechen Griechen nach."
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Kinderreime machen es möglich.

Yes, without end.
Examples in German.
"When behind fly fly fly fly fly fly fly after"
When behind robben robben robben, robben robben robben"

And now with a shift in tone.

"When Greeks crawl behind Greeks, Greeks crawl after Greeks."

Nursery rhymes make it possible.]

Dear Mr. Aga Tentakulus,

I have carefully read through the examples you provided, and I appreciate that you have elaborated on your perspective, at least in response to one of my questions.

Frankly, I anticipated such a response to my inquiry about word repetitions because you are not the first person to offer a similar explanation. However, I must express that your response, while I understand, falls short of scientific rigor.

In modern language, word repetitions can be generated in nursery rhymes and, presumably, in any language when desired. I am aware of their existence to some extent. However, the question I posed does not concern this aspect.

As you know, scientific comparison and analysis have established methodologies determined by specific fields or areas under investigation. For instance, if we are comparing two things, they must share similarities or fall within a specified scope. If we are to compare a bicycle wheel with an airplane wheel, we need to understand the purpose and where the comparison will lead us. Similarly, we must determine whether we are comparing one apple with another or an apple with an orange. Would there be a need to compare birth rates of people living near the poles during the Middle Ages with those in tropical areas in modern times?

If we are to approach this task within the realm of linguistics and logic, we must first establish a timeframe, such as the period from the 10th to the 18th century (or all ancient periods of the compared written languages), and then compare the frequency of word repetitions in texts during this designated period and whether they occur in the same manner or not. Otherwise, the endeavor would lack scientific validity. If we were to discuss the creation of nursery rhymes, I could easily extend word repetitions in Turkish to an extent that might surprise you, but it would be irrelevant because it serves no purpose.

Now, if you can show me evidence from any ancient language other than Old Turkish, such as German, English, Greek, or any other language, of triple, quadruple, or quintuple word repetitions in texts from the Middle Ages or any other period, please do so. Please indicate the scholars who have cited these occurrences and provide references to the academic articles and books. Furthermore, we are all aware of the occurrences and frequency of word repetitions in VM texts. In my previous comments and articles, I have mentioned, with references to academic sources, that in some dialects of Old Turkish, word repetitions were used to pluralize words. I have also mentioned the existence of another Old Turkish manuscript with examples of repetitions up to quintuples, along with references to its academic sources. For instance, I have stated who authored the scientific articles and that these linguists have noted the occurrences of such word repetitions, up to quintuples, in written Turkish from all ancient periods, in manuscripts and inscriptions.

Now, leaving aside nursery rhymes or linguistic potentials, please, if possible, show me a single scientist, a single article, or a single manuscript that mentions triple, quadruple, or quintuple word repetitions in any ancient language other than Old Turkish. Show me where these experts have referred to ancient manuscripts or books and specify the dates they were written. By doing so, we would not be comparing a bicycle wheel with an orange.

Now, I ask the same question to every researcher in this group. Can you find similar structural overlaps between VM texts and written Old Turkish texts in any other language in the world? I have been asking this question on various platforms for several years and have also examined numerous academic articles to find this information. In the end, I have not found such an overlap in any other language. If you or anyone else can find similar overlaps in any other language, could you demonstrate and present them?

You do not need to know Turkish. I have mentioned two fundamental structural features: the structure and frequency of word repetitions in the language and the absence of words starting or ending with certain sounds or letters in Old Turkish. To assure you of the authenticity of these features, I have provided references to academic articles where they are discussed. These features, together or separately, are specific only to Turkish.

Our question is very simple: Do similar overlaps exist in ancient writings of other languages? I know they do not. If you do not know, please check Google or use artificial intelligence. These features are partially present in agglutinative languages like Japanese, Korean, Mongolian, or Hungarian, which share the same root as Turkish. However, even in these languages, occurrences of word repetitions up to quintuples are not found and they are uniquely recorded in Turkish only. Moreover, the frequency of word repetitions in these languages is absurdly scarce compared to Old Turkish.  Also, if an ancient language used duplications of words to make them plural, should we be surprised that there are word duplications in almost every page of ancient writing? What other languages do you know that write the plural of words by repeating that word twice? For example, in medieval German or Greek or Italian manuscripts, how many word duplications or nursery rhymes do you see on every 3 pages, let alone on every page? Even someone who does not know Turkish or cannot read VM texts but is aware of this information should recognize that the manuscript is most likely in Turkish.

I believe that there are many individuals in this Voynich-ninja group who understand how scientific research should be conducted and how templates for scientific comparison should be used. Our common question is whether, in the face of these findings, even if they cannot read the texts, they can acknowledge Turkish as the most plausible candidate.

I believe that no one here would deviate from scientific criteria based on nationality, language, or race. So, do not misunderstand my words, but if the same findings were presented for German, English, or Greek, and if they were not found in Turkish, you would probably have already declared the manuscript to be ancient Greek based on this evidence. We should not ignore a scientific fact based on the presumed language of the manuscript, and I do not want to believe that anyone here would do so. Now, I am discussing findings and evidence. If you have no evidence to the contrary, I sincerely expect you to reexamine my findings or acknowledge that "although we cannot read it, we understand that Turkish is the most likely candidate."

Of course, I do not expect those who do not know how to evaluate such scientific data or understand how it contributes to our understanding to make such comments or confirmations. Now, may I compare an apple from the Middle Ages with another from the Middle Ages and get your thoughts again?

Thanks & Best regards,