Calgary engineer believes he's cracked the mysterious Voynich Manuscript
(15-03-2023, 04:11 PM)cvetkakocj@rogers.com wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi, Ahmet,
[it would help if you show the ATA transcription and English translation of the above words, and also the example of spelling of those words in medieval Turkish words (Etruscan will not do). Surely, you can find some of those words in the Codex Cummanicus or other Turkish grammar book written prior to 19th century, where such rules for pronunciation are stated.]


Dear Cvetka, 

Please let me clear something up for you and readers outside of us because (knowingly or unknowingly) you have introduced a concept that is not mine.

The thing is, I don't understand why you put the word "Etruscan" up here. What is the connection between Etruscan and VMS? 
I have never made and/or demonstrated a 1/1 connection between the words in the Etruscan inscriptions and the words in the VMS.

I think you have read our old commentary where the Etruscan name is mentioned, but you have never understood what we wrote there. Or maybe you understand the subject, but with your comment here, you may have wanted to create a perception in other readers by recreating this Etruscan phrase in such a distorted content.

For this reason, I don't think it's right for you to suggest the Etruscan word in this way. Because I think that this will give other people who will read these comments you make a wrong idea about our work as an ATA working group. I hope you are not consciously making a distortion that might create the image of us as if we were making this type of Etruscan connection. Because the research we have done as the ATA group and our VMS-text readings are the most realistic, linguistic, and conclusive studies on VMS-to date. Our work started by identifying linguistic methods, approaches and criteria and is progressing in that way. There is nothing fanciful or utopian about our work. On the contrary, the most consistent study results revealed to date are those we have shown.

We show the words we read in VMS texts either as they are or as root words by separating them into word suffixes in dictionaries.

In our previous commentary on the Etruscan issue, we mentioned it as one of the examples we gave at that time to point out that the entry of Turkic languages into Europe was not 1453, as is commonly thought. In the same comment, we also mentioned that groups such as Tatar peoples spoke Tatar Turkish thousands of years ago in Europe. We also mentioned that Pecheneg Turks lived in Europe before 1453. In addition I was brought up the Etruscan issue,  because we touched on Turkish Runic signs and writing. One of the main purpose of these examples was to express that the Turkish language already existed in Europe in much earlier times compared to the year VMS was written. Because the current issue was to show that some generalization ideas that were thought to be correct in terms of Turkish could be wrong.

In addition, in our previous comments on Etruscan genetic studies, we also showed the Turkish Etruscan link by giving references to academic articles by European researchers. No matter which way the discussions on Etruscan issues develop, we do not intend to establish a 1/1 link between VMS texts/words and Etruscan texts/words. This may be the subject of another research in the future, of course, it is not within our scope at the moment.

For all these reasons, you should know that I consider your reference to this Etruscan subject in your comment an inaccurate and unnecessary ascription.

The last table and questions we show here were essentially that 1/1 of the plurality of side by side vowels in words in a row is not found in any of the languages we have mentioned. This is just one of the signs that the other alphabet transcriptions that have already been made are wrong. So these transcriptions are clearly inconsistent, as it treats some consonants as if they were vowels.

If you're suggesting that I write the Latin equivalents underneath when sharing photos of original word images in the future, that's a useful suggestion and you know I did it from time to time. I must say that I will take your suggestion into consideration and try to implement it as I remember it in the future. In the example for the words in the table in my previous comment here, I did not indicate the Latin letter equivalents. Because I thought that for those who want to examine this subject in detail and are engaged in real linguistics, I think the abbreviations EVA and ATA will suffice as our references.

However, as you said (or as I understood from what you said), it can be useful for readers to show the Latin alphabet every time in the images. Thank you for this suggestion.

Thanks,


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RE: Calgary engineer believes he's cracked the mysterious Voynich Manuscript - by Ahmet Ardıç - 16-03-2023, 11:49 PM

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