06-09-2022, 07:00 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-09-2022, 08:25 PM by Ahmet Ardıç.)
(06-09-2022, 01:26 PM)Juan_Sali wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The ATA is based on modern turkish script, all the samples that you show use the modern turkish script.
Where is the old turkish script? Do you have samples of old turkish script of the VM times for every word you have found? Do you have tables to compare the 3 ones?: the VM script, the modern script and the old script.
As the word spelling and writting change over time, how matches the modern turkish script with the old one? How the modern trasliteration of the VM matches with old turkish if both are different systems of writting?
Where the minds of the VM creators thinking on a spelling-latin-like tranliteration? Does it have any sense? Even if it has a sense how an ATA based in modern turkish script can reproduce the witting/spelling of the VM?
Dear Juan_Sali,
By that, do you mean that the Ottomans used the Arabic alphabet and we switched to using the Latin alphabet in Atatürk's time? So are you saying that "you Turks only used the Arabic alphabet before and during the period when VM was written?"
If this is the question, I have shown by presenting many evidence in my previous comments that these are unscientific generalizations in that way and the evidence we wrote by pointing that there were people who wrote Turkish by using the Latin alphabet before and during the Ottoman period.
You can see it in previous comments.
In this case, I wonder why you keep asking the same questions without reading and trying to understand what we are saying.
If this is not was your question and if I do not understand the question correctly, please ask again with using a clear example of the problem.
But if possible, please don't ask again about the details we've already answered. We compose an article from our personal ideas that are not based on evidence. Whatever we say, we show the evidence. To understand this, you must first look at what we say and what evidence we show. Otherwise, we will be wasting our time around the same questions.
Where is the old turkish script you call?
This has been answered before. There are many Turkish inscriptions and manuscripts written in both the Latin alphabet and the Runic alphabet. Some of them are also older than the VM. For example, the Codex Cumanicus manuscript. This manuscript was written in the Kipchak Cuman dialect of the Turkish language. So, they are not using only Arabic one is not it?
In addition to that, It is also known that there were creeds (which calling as "itikatnameler" in Turkish) written in the Latin alphabet during the Fatif Sultan Mehmet time. In other words, you are making unrealistic evaluations in your mind by generalizing unscientific false teachings. Please see all that documents and evidence, then think again.
To answer your other question;
Modern Turkish and Old Turkish overlap to a certain extent. There is nothing surprising in this. The roots of Turkish words are usually monosyllabic and sometimes monophonic. It is not possible for them to change in much area in phonetically. In the so-called "Indo-European" languages, words are quoted and used in their entirety. Phonetic shifts are more numerous and versatile when words extend as syllables.
I never understood your this question too: "How the modern trasliteration of the VM matches with old turkish if both are different systems of writting?" Who told you that both are separate writing systems?
We didn't say anything like that. Both are the same language, but one is 600 years old and in an as yet undetermined dialect. This dialect issue will be resolved in time, but both are the same language. Old Turkish and New Turkish.
Your question; --"Where the minds of the VM creators thinking on a spelling-latin-like tranliteration? Does it have any sense?"
I did not understand your that questions either.
More precisely, it seemed like a baseless question to me and maybe I didn't understand it because my English is bad.
The Latin alphabet, the Runic alphabet, the Hebrew alphabet and the Greek alphabet, and the Cyrillic alphabet and the Arabic alphabet were all used to write Turkish throughout history. See here the author probably created this alphabet herself. It was mostly based on the Latin alphabet when creating it and added some Runic alphabet signs to it. Do you want to ask, how did the author do this? There is nothing to be surprised about. Turkish works written in the Latin alphabet from the fourteenth century already exist. Also, if the author himself/herself developed this VM alphabet, are you examining how it was developed with this question?
If it is, we go back to the past with the first time machine and ask this question to the author. "An Indo European" can be develop an alphabet themself, but how could you develop an alphabet yourself as a Turkish language writer as like an idiot?" shall we ask this to the author?
Your question; --"Even if it has a sense how an ATA based in modern turkish script can reproduce the witting/spelling of the VM?"
Sorry but, your this question is also pretty meaningless. People can write texts in any language they want, even by creating a new alphabet after 5 minutes now.
I'm not writing to break your heart. So don't take my answers personally. Answering the same questions over and over with the same evidence is tiring and frustrating for me. I hope you will receive it with understanding. Because the problem is not that you have asked them, but that you have asked them again after being asked and answered several times and maybe I am not understanding your questions correctly too. I do not know. But my answers are not about you. The content of the questions is not answered to personal but about the content.
Thanks
