04-09-2022, 04:21 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-09-2022, 08:59 PM by Ahmet Ardıç.)
The content on medical and drug making issues is mostly created in a way that explains some details about women's and children's health and especially pregnancy-period processes.
Now, let's show this two words (DÖŞ ÜYÇÖSÜ / breast size) written side by side with their explanations in dictionaries below.
The author wrote these words about 600 years ago in the form of "DÖŞ ÜYÇÖSÜ". Today, we write these words (in the modern Turkey Turkish as) in the form of "DÖŞ ÖLÇÜSÜ".
As can be seen here, the first word remained unchanged for 600 years without any phonetic changes. The second word has undergone a minor phonetic change in minor form and the reason for which is known by us and by Turcology & Old Turkish area linguists.
These words mean in English; "breast size" (chest size, thorax measurement/size)
It is the suffix -SU/-SÜ at the end of the word ÖLÇÜ-SÜ / ÖYÇÜ-SÜ. The word suffix -SU, -SÜ, SI, -Sİ is a suffix that can make an adjective from a noun. This word suffix also has other functions. For example; It is a suffix meaning "likely" and "as like". This is also the word suffix that functions as "object ponter" and "Possessive Pronoun" as a function. We have explained this subject before by showing the sources, so I do not go into more detail about word affixes here. If you want to learn more Turkish grammar, please see: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
You can see that the word DÖŞ means "BREAST" on this dictionary page: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
You can see the meaning content of the word ÖLÇÜ/ÖYÇÜ (MEASUREMENT, SİZE) on this dictionary page: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Of course, it is possible to put forward other variants of phonetic sound affinity. For example, the second word ÜLÇÖSÜ can also be read as ÜLÜÇ ÖSÜ > İLİÇ+ÖZÜ. However, a clearer explanation can be made on this subject while the sentences in which these words are used are analyzed in the book. Of course, all of the variants I mentioned are evaluated within the Turkish language. Botanists and doctors can probably provide clearer explanations.
Since I haven't written for a long time, you can find some current news about our work below;
1-) In terms of word/drawing overlaps we detected in the VM, (the number of words matching with drawings in same page) is 101. This number will definitely increase for sure. Because we have only been able to take a detailed look at 10% or 11% of the VM content yet.
2-) Our presentation at Niğde University was very successful. I was not the only one in this University to talk about the Turkish content of the VM texts. Turcolog linguist and Old Turkish expert Prof. Dr. Mayıl Asgarov himself has been give another presentation in the same university and he said that the content of VM is in Old Turkish. I think an academic article on this subject will be published in the coming months in Turkish.
(This University was the fifth university we talked about the VM Turkish content. Hundreds of Turkish language experts have been informed and not a single negative opinion or article has been published or sent to us yet. Currently, the all feedback/statements are positive and it is clearly understood that the VM texts have Old Turkish content for sure. However, the author or authors' dialect they used in VM has not been determined yet. There are still different opinions on this subject.)
3-) The presentation I made in the Turkish Language Department of the Azerbaijan Academy of Sciences was deemed successful and the department head of the academy presented me with a certificate of appreciation. After this presentation, Prof. Mayıl Asgarov himself began to do readings in VM by using our ATA abc-transcription. I also wrote one joint article with him and I think this article will be published in the journal of the Azerbaijan Academy of Sciences soon (in Azerbayjani Turkish).
4-) We will speak at a symposium with an international jury between October 3rd and October 5th in Türkiye/Ankara. In this symposium, Prof. Dr. Mayıl Asgarov and I participated in with two separate articles. Mr. Asgarov (states that he has currently read 10 full pages of the VM texts and) will present one of these pages at this international symposium to be held in Ankara. I submitted the full translation of the page 33v as an article and it was accepted for this symposium to present in Ankara in October 2022. So I was officially invited to speak about the VM Old-Turkish content at this symposium. The majority of the science committee/jury members of this event are Turkish language scientists. Some of them will come from Germany and Hungary. You can see the full list of them in this attached link and below.
The Organizing Committee Chairman
Prof. Dr. Ahmet Bican ERCİLASUN
The Organizing Committee
Prof. Dr. Ferruh AĞCA
Prof. Dr. Kâzım Yaşar KOPRAMAN
Prof. Dr. İbrahim DİLEK
Prof. Dr. Hayati BEŞİRLİ
Prof. Dr. İsmet ÇETİN
Prof. Dr. Yunus KOÇ
THE SCIENCE COMMITTEE MEMBERS of THE ORGANİZATION
Prof. Dr. Mehmet AÇA [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Ferruh AĞCA [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Necdet Yaşar BAYATLI [IRAQ]
Prof. Dr. Bülent BAYRAM [KAZAKHSTAN]
Prof. Dr. Ts. BATTULGA [MONGOLIA]
Prof. Dr. Hayati BEŞİRLİ [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Eva CSAKİ [HUNGARY]
Prof. Dr. Yakup ÇELİK [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. İsmet ÇETİN [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. İbrahim DİLEK [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Oğuzhan DURMUŞ [[TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Faruk GÖKÇE [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Kemal ERASLAN [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. İnci ERGİNÜN [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Bilge ERCİLASUN [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Marcel ERDAL [GERMANY]
Prof. Dr. Reşat GENÇ [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Bülent GÜL [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Tuncer GÜLENSOY [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Abdurrahman GÜZEL [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Ahmet Bican ERCİLASUN [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Jabbar İSHANKUL [UZBEKISTAN]
Prof. Dr. Leyla KARAHAN [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Yunus KOÇ [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Zeynep KORKMAZ [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Kazım Yaşar KOPRAMAN [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. İsa ÖZKAN [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Fatih SAKALLI [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Saim SAKAOĞLU [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Osman Fikri SERTKAYA [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Vahit TÜRK [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Fikret TÜRKMEN [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Bahaeddin YEDİYILDIZ [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Jens WILKENS [GERMANY]
Prof. Dr. Dursun YILDIRIM [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Peter ZIEME [GERMANY]
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Presentation at this symposium will be in Turkish. It is a symposium open to anyone who wants to participate. We would be pleased if there were international audiences willing to come.
Note: The subject of the Old Turkish language in the content of the VM will be understood more clearly day by day. To date, no statement we have made on this matter has been rejected verbally or in writing by any Turkish language expert. This probably will not happen in the future too. The author's dialect is not yet understood, and because of the author's use of many abbreviations, and the author's use of many drug names, and the medical terminology she used (so we say that some of the pronouns here are very likely that the author herself produced, and we are pointing to the evidence about it) which all makes it difficult to read. One reason why not all 240 pages can be translated quickly into today's language is that we encounter words that we need to search in almost every line. In other words, Turkish words can be read in every line of 240 pages, but the "unreadable" words make it difficult to read & interpret that sentences as a whole in a short time.
I hope that in the future, with the participation of more experts working on the Turkish language in academic platforms (and of course with the participation of doctors, pharmacists and herbalists-botanists who speak Turkish), we can be faster in the VM page readings.
Thanks
Now, let's show this two words (DÖŞ ÜYÇÖSÜ / breast size) written side by side with their explanations in dictionaries below.
The author wrote these words about 600 years ago in the form of "DÖŞ ÜYÇÖSÜ". Today, we write these words (in the modern Turkey Turkish as) in the form of "DÖŞ ÖLÇÜSÜ".
As can be seen here, the first word remained unchanged for 600 years without any phonetic changes. The second word has undergone a minor phonetic change in minor form and the reason for which is known by us and by Turcology & Old Turkish area linguists.
These words mean in English; "breast size" (chest size, thorax measurement/size)
It is the suffix -SU/-SÜ at the end of the word ÖLÇÜ-SÜ / ÖYÇÜ-SÜ. The word suffix -SU, -SÜ, SI, -Sİ is a suffix that can make an adjective from a noun. This word suffix also has other functions. For example; It is a suffix meaning "likely" and "as like". This is also the word suffix that functions as "object ponter" and "Possessive Pronoun" as a function. We have explained this subject before by showing the sources, so I do not go into more detail about word affixes here. If you want to learn more Turkish grammar, please see: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
You can see that the word DÖŞ means "BREAST" on this dictionary page: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
You can see the meaning content of the word ÖLÇÜ/ÖYÇÜ (MEASUREMENT, SİZE) on this dictionary page: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Of course, it is possible to put forward other variants of phonetic sound affinity. For example, the second word ÜLÇÖSÜ can also be read as ÜLÜÇ ÖSÜ > İLİÇ+ÖZÜ. However, a clearer explanation can be made on this subject while the sentences in which these words are used are analyzed in the book. Of course, all of the variants I mentioned are evaluated within the Turkish language. Botanists and doctors can probably provide clearer explanations.
Since I haven't written for a long time, you can find some current news about our work below;
1-) In terms of word/drawing overlaps we detected in the VM, (the number of words matching with drawings in same page) is 101. This number will definitely increase for sure. Because we have only been able to take a detailed look at 10% or 11% of the VM content yet.
2-) Our presentation at Niğde University was very successful. I was not the only one in this University to talk about the Turkish content of the VM texts. Turcolog linguist and Old Turkish expert Prof. Dr. Mayıl Asgarov himself has been give another presentation in the same university and he said that the content of VM is in Old Turkish. I think an academic article on this subject will be published in the coming months in Turkish.
(This University was the fifth university we talked about the VM Turkish content. Hundreds of Turkish language experts have been informed and not a single negative opinion or article has been published or sent to us yet. Currently, the all feedback/statements are positive and it is clearly understood that the VM texts have Old Turkish content for sure. However, the author or authors' dialect they used in VM has not been determined yet. There are still different opinions on this subject.)
3-) The presentation I made in the Turkish Language Department of the Azerbaijan Academy of Sciences was deemed successful and the department head of the academy presented me with a certificate of appreciation. After this presentation, Prof. Mayıl Asgarov himself began to do readings in VM by using our ATA abc-transcription. I also wrote one joint article with him and I think this article will be published in the journal of the Azerbaijan Academy of Sciences soon (in Azerbayjani Turkish).
4-) We will speak at a symposium with an international jury between October 3rd and October 5th in Türkiye/Ankara. In this symposium, Prof. Dr. Mayıl Asgarov and I participated in with two separate articles. Mr. Asgarov (states that he has currently read 10 full pages of the VM texts and) will present one of these pages at this international symposium to be held in Ankara. I submitted the full translation of the page 33v as an article and it was accepted for this symposium to present in Ankara in October 2022. So I was officially invited to speak about the VM Old-Turkish content at this symposium. The majority of the science committee/jury members of this event are Turkish language scientists. Some of them will come from Germany and Hungary. You can see the full list of them in this attached link and below.
The Organizing Committee Chairman
Prof. Dr. Ahmet Bican ERCİLASUN
The Organizing Committee
Prof. Dr. Ferruh AĞCA
Prof. Dr. Kâzım Yaşar KOPRAMAN
Prof. Dr. İbrahim DİLEK
Prof. Dr. Hayati BEŞİRLİ
Prof. Dr. İsmet ÇETİN
Prof. Dr. Yunus KOÇ
THE SCIENCE COMMITTEE MEMBERS of THE ORGANİZATION
Prof. Dr. Mehmet AÇA [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Ferruh AĞCA [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Necdet Yaşar BAYATLI [IRAQ]
Prof. Dr. Bülent BAYRAM [KAZAKHSTAN]
Prof. Dr. Ts. BATTULGA [MONGOLIA]
Prof. Dr. Hayati BEŞİRLİ [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Eva CSAKİ [HUNGARY]
Prof. Dr. Yakup ÇELİK [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. İsmet ÇETİN [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. İbrahim DİLEK [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Oğuzhan DURMUŞ [[TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Faruk GÖKÇE [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Kemal ERASLAN [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. İnci ERGİNÜN [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Bilge ERCİLASUN [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Marcel ERDAL [GERMANY]
Prof. Dr. Reşat GENÇ [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Bülent GÜL [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Tuncer GÜLENSOY [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Abdurrahman GÜZEL [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Ahmet Bican ERCİLASUN [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Jabbar İSHANKUL [UZBEKISTAN]
Prof. Dr. Leyla KARAHAN [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Yunus KOÇ [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Zeynep KORKMAZ [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Kazım Yaşar KOPRAMAN [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. İsa ÖZKAN [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Fatih SAKALLI [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Saim SAKAOĞLU [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Osman Fikri SERTKAYA [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Vahit TÜRK [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Fikret TÜRKMEN [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Bahaeddin YEDİYILDIZ [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Jens WILKENS [GERMANY]
Prof. Dr. Dursun YILDIRIM [TÜRKİYE]
Prof. Dr. Peter ZIEME [GERMANY]
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Presentation at this symposium will be in Turkish. It is a symposium open to anyone who wants to participate. We would be pleased if there were international audiences willing to come.
Note: The subject of the Old Turkish language in the content of the VM will be understood more clearly day by day. To date, no statement we have made on this matter has been rejected verbally or in writing by any Turkish language expert. This probably will not happen in the future too. The author's dialect is not yet understood, and because of the author's use of many abbreviations, and the author's use of many drug names, and the medical terminology she used (so we say that some of the pronouns here are very likely that the author herself produced, and we are pointing to the evidence about it) which all makes it difficult to read. One reason why not all 240 pages can be translated quickly into today's language is that we encounter words that we need to search in almost every line. In other words, Turkish words can be read in every line of 240 pages, but the "unreadable" words make it difficult to read & interpret that sentences as a whole in a short time.
I hope that in the future, with the participation of more experts working on the Turkish language in academic platforms (and of course with the participation of doctors, pharmacists and herbalists-botanists who speak Turkish), we can be faster in the VM page readings.
Thanks