Calgary engineer believes he's cracked the mysterious Voynich Manuscript
(31-05-2022, 12:40 PM)Linda wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(30-05-2022, 03:59 PM)Ahmet Ardıç wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The words 8 ÇUCSU / 8 ÇOCU-SU (8 çocuğu > 8 CHILDREN / 8 JUNIOR) mean "that eight children", and "the/that/their/those eight children".
Because that "-SU" ("-si/-su/-si-/-su") suffixe at the and is English equivalent of "the, that, their,... " .

The word ÇOCUK means boy/girl, child, kid, infant, juvenile, youngster, junior, ... etc
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[Is it not possibly 8 water children, as per the double meanjng of su in previous example?]

Dear Linda,

Considering the syntax order of these examined words, it does not seem possible in terms of Turkish. This word is placed at the end of a series of words. 
   
We also read the frontal parts of this last word in Turkish. Here I just need to verify more old Turkish words on one word by scanning them in various articles. Because we can't find some words in our own dictionaries, but we look for them in various academic articles. 

This is a whole, and the sentence ends means "… those/that eight girls with children." From this written info, we understand that girls in this drawing are (probably) pregnant. 

The word we are trying to clarify is in the first part of the sentence. In this same kind of way, hundreds of sentences that need only one word to be clarified are available in 240 pages long. Some linguists think that these may be archaic forms of those words. Perhaps some of these words may have been borrowed from other languages into Turkish and used in Turkish sentences. The author is probably a multilingual person. 

Most likely, the whole sentence will be as follows like:
This section of the waterway to be owned/using by that junior/girls who have children (/are pregnant)

As far as I understood from the cross-readings I made on different pages, the author writes some things about pregnant women by observing their pregnancy periods and dividing them into certain groups who are close to each other by their pregnancy period. I'm inferring that these are some advice and medicines or medical practices, things related to beauty, health, cleanliness, fertilization, procreation, abortion or cesarean section,... etc.

Thanks

Note: The part that looks like the second word here is actually two separate words written compound.

U SAIROP = O ARAPE / O SARAP = that waterway
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ARAPE: "water way" (su yolu) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
sARAP: "covered waterway" (üstü kapalı su yolu)
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Here the first word is OLAR/OL-AR (olur) and you have to search the dictionaries for as word OLMAK (being, to be, have/having ... etc see this link for OL-mak:  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. ) to see its semantic content. The root of this word is OL- and I have explained the function of the suffix -mak before. 
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The word that looks like the third word is actually two separate words written together. (U ÇÇLU/UÇÇILU > O ÇOCULU = o çocuklu ) Which mean in English like "those with children" (o çocuk sahibi olanlar / o çocuklular).
But I want to search for one particular word other meanings here in some academic articles and confirm it. But after that I will look at this whole sentence again and say more precisely what this sentence means in modern language.


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RE: Calgary engineer believes he's cracked the mysterious Voynich Manuscript - by Ahmet Ardıç - 31-05-2022, 12:59 PM

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