09-05-2022, 05:43 PM
Dear Cvetka,
Have you seen 2500 words that start with the syllable AY- (word root) in Slovenian or English or any Indo-European language group? Or, if you think that the syllable AY is a prefix, have you seen words that start with the syllable AY_ as prefixes to 2500 different words in any of the past and present books in the world in European languages?
1- The examined part of the content of the book is in Turkish, and we have examined only 10% of this VM-book in detail yet. We only looked at the rest of the book in a read-across format and superficially without going into detail. I've written this many times before. If this is the case, we should not be surprised if there are words in other languages in the work. Does this mean anything to you? So if you want to search for something in Slovenian that you can't find with the EVA table, you should try ATA transcription.
2- There was no proven reading or overlap between EVA and Voynich pages. So EVA alphabet transcription didn't work and it won't work in the future. This includes for all variations of EVA.
3- All the reading suggestions made up to now (except ours -mostly-) are in the form of anagrams and made-up analogies. There is not a single clear line reading made using EVA that can be considered proven according to the criteria of linguistics. However, hundreds of researchers still trying to use EVA, and still do not perceive this reality.
4- The works could not go beyond just interpreting the drawings/pictures. And the comments on the images in the VM were made by ignoring other cultures. That is, they have progressed almost exclusively from the perspective of European geography and culture. However, for the same drawings, drawing and word matching could not be suggested, except for a few anagram overlaps.
5- There is no prefix in the written language of the book. In fact, there is no clear scientific finding to prove that the sections interpreted by you as a prefix or the elements thought to be a "prefix" are prefixes.
6- As Europeans, you wrote the history of the Voynich book only by accepting the information and the so-called historical letters put forward by the book-seller Voynich as correct. You have repeatedly written to whom this work (the book) belonged in the past. But there is not a single scientific finding or evidence to prove this story. The so-called historical letter, presented by Voynich himself, which is likely a kind of forgery itself. I have made statements in detail on this subject before.
Summary for this part:
Almost none of the information you accept or think is true about Voynich is not true. Only the description of a castle drawing on a map page as a castle in Italy can be correct. Other than that, all are completely "baseless opinions & informations" in my opinion. Also EVA and other known transcriptions don't work & will never work to read VM pages. And There is not a single evidence of any Indo-European language in the VM-content too.
Now I will show you what you cannot find one by one, and I suggest that you try to understand without haste just by examining the information given and the sources shown.
Please get a real Turkish dictionary such as "Türkiye Türkçesi Ağızları Sözcük Varlığı, TDK yayınları" etc. I couldn't find any of the full content of these kind dictionary online, so I got many printed paper dictionaries. For example, you can at least try to get the dictionary, the link of which I have shared below. (I don't know if they ship outside of Turkey. You can probably buy second hand 2007 edition from Amazon.)
Author: Yaşar Çağbayır
Name of the dictionary : "Türkiye Türkçesinin Söz Varlığı" (Turkey Turkish Vocabulary), Ötüken Türkçe Sözlük (The Ötüken Turkish Dictionary)
Publisher: Ötüken Neşriyat - Ansiklopedi Dizisi
ISBN-13 : 978-9754376234
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In the content of this dictionary, approximately 130-thousand words written in Ottoman spelling, including the Ottoman period of Turkey Turkish, and a total of 316-thousand words from different periods of Turkish (including some Old Turkish words of well known dialects) which can be easily accessed with different readings and meanings of each word.
In the dictionaries you can find on the Internet, there are words from 1000 to 65000 words. However, these may contain most of the current Turkey Turkish words and/or the most used words today.
For example, there is a Turkish dictionary in a pdf file at this link.
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However, we can not compare this dictionaries with the dictionaries that like I referenced above. Because it is possible to find words in rich dictionaries, which are approximately 6 times more numerous than the current Turkish dictionaries you can find online, and include the forgotten old words of some dialects.
For example, if you look at the dictionary whose link I have shared, you can see words starting with the syllable AY- from page 286 to page 313. There should be approximately 450 to 500 words starting with the syllable AY- in those pages. Moreover, when some side by side words start with the same word, you can see how the meaning expands with the second word that comes next to first one (which in the root word position it is). The same is true of the Voynich texts. In other words, if we assume that there are approximately 450 words starting with the syllable AY in a word containing 50-thousand words of a dictionary, then this means that this number can be roughly 2700 words in a dictionary with a 316-thousand word volume one.
But we remember that some words are very repetitive and they may not be different words. For example, in cases where the word used by the writer 600 years ago and written in the form of the word "OYAR / ÖYER" in their book, it also should be written separately as "o yar" (meaning "that/this - lover") and "o yer" (means "that place"), it has been a question of writing them adjacent.
But I do know that some words are repeated in large numbers for about 240 pages. There is nothing abnormal in this that cannot be explained. For example, in cases where the word used by the author 600 years ago and written in the form of the word "OYAR / ÖYER" in his book should be written separately as "o yar" (meaning that lover) and "that place", it has been a matter of writing them adjacent. In addition, when this word is written adjacent, it will be the closest word to today's "IF" word in phonetic "ÖYER (EĞER)" value in Turkish, and the most used meanings of this word;
1) if 2) whether 3) provided that 4) providing 5) providing that.
Who would be surprised to find so many same like words like IF and WHETHER (expressing a doubt or choice between alternatives) in a book?
There is no abnormality in this. Moreover, it is a misconception that the semantic content of the root word that starts with the syllable AY- consists of only two meanings. Now please open this link below and see page 42 in this pdf dictionary which has only 199 pages in total. There, in the explanation of the root word "ay-" in the page have been explained the meaning content of the root of this AY-. And if you understand this, you may have a chance to understand why Turkish same words have many meanings.
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So, We have not yet seen a prefix in the Voynich texts. If these were prefixes of words, they would also not have been written independently. But the word OY (AY) could also be written independently. If you write the prefixes separately, they won't make any sense.
Words that look the same in this dictionary can change or expand their meanings, depending on the meaning of the word in front of it or sometimes after it, just like in the Voynich texts. Of course, linguists who know the structure of these languages will understand better what I mean.
Thanks
Have you seen 2500 words that start with the syllable AY- (word root) in Slovenian or English or any Indo-European language group? Or, if you think that the syllable AY is a prefix, have you seen words that start with the syllable AY_ as prefixes to 2500 different words in any of the past and present books in the world in European languages?
1- The examined part of the content of the book is in Turkish, and we have examined only 10% of this VM-book in detail yet. We only looked at the rest of the book in a read-across format and superficially without going into detail. I've written this many times before. If this is the case, we should not be surprised if there are words in other languages in the work. Does this mean anything to you? So if you want to search for something in Slovenian that you can't find with the EVA table, you should try ATA transcription.
2- There was no proven reading or overlap between EVA and Voynich pages. So EVA alphabet transcription didn't work and it won't work in the future. This includes for all variations of EVA.
3- All the reading suggestions made up to now (except ours -mostly-) are in the form of anagrams and made-up analogies. There is not a single clear line reading made using EVA that can be considered proven according to the criteria of linguistics. However, hundreds of researchers still trying to use EVA, and still do not perceive this reality.
4- The works could not go beyond just interpreting the drawings/pictures. And the comments on the images in the VM were made by ignoring other cultures. That is, they have progressed almost exclusively from the perspective of European geography and culture. However, for the same drawings, drawing and word matching could not be suggested, except for a few anagram overlaps.
5- There is no prefix in the written language of the book. In fact, there is no clear scientific finding to prove that the sections interpreted by you as a prefix or the elements thought to be a "prefix" are prefixes.
6- As Europeans, you wrote the history of the Voynich book only by accepting the information and the so-called historical letters put forward by the book-seller Voynich as correct. You have repeatedly written to whom this work (the book) belonged in the past. But there is not a single scientific finding or evidence to prove this story. The so-called historical letter, presented by Voynich himself, which is likely a kind of forgery itself. I have made statements in detail on this subject before.
Summary for this part:
Almost none of the information you accept or think is true about Voynich is not true. Only the description of a castle drawing on a map page as a castle in Italy can be correct. Other than that, all are completely "baseless opinions & informations" in my opinion. Also EVA and other known transcriptions don't work & will never work to read VM pages. And There is not a single evidence of any Indo-European language in the VM-content too.
Now I will show you what you cannot find one by one, and I suggest that you try to understand without haste just by examining the information given and the sources shown.
Please get a real Turkish dictionary such as "Türkiye Türkçesi Ağızları Sözcük Varlığı, TDK yayınları" etc. I couldn't find any of the full content of these kind dictionary online, so I got many printed paper dictionaries. For example, you can at least try to get the dictionary, the link of which I have shared below. (I don't know if they ship outside of Turkey. You can probably buy second hand 2007 edition from Amazon.)
Author: Yaşar Çağbayır
Name of the dictionary : "Türkiye Türkçesinin Söz Varlığı" (Turkey Turkish Vocabulary), Ötüken Türkçe Sözlük (The Ötüken Turkish Dictionary)
Publisher: Ötüken Neşriyat - Ansiklopedi Dizisi
ISBN-13 : 978-9754376234
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
In the content of this dictionary, approximately 130-thousand words written in Ottoman spelling, including the Ottoman period of Turkey Turkish, and a total of 316-thousand words from different periods of Turkish (including some Old Turkish words of well known dialects) which can be easily accessed with different readings and meanings of each word.
In the dictionaries you can find on the Internet, there are words from 1000 to 65000 words. However, these may contain most of the current Turkey Turkish words and/or the most used words today.
For example, there is a Turkish dictionary in a pdf file at this link.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
However, we can not compare this dictionaries with the dictionaries that like I referenced above. Because it is possible to find words in rich dictionaries, which are approximately 6 times more numerous than the current Turkish dictionaries you can find online, and include the forgotten old words of some dialects.
For example, if you look at the dictionary whose link I have shared, you can see words starting with the syllable AY- from page 286 to page 313. There should be approximately 450 to 500 words starting with the syllable AY- in those pages. Moreover, when some side by side words start with the same word, you can see how the meaning expands with the second word that comes next to first one (which in the root word position it is). The same is true of the Voynich texts. In other words, if we assume that there are approximately 450 words starting with the syllable AY in a word containing 50-thousand words of a dictionary, then this means that this number can be roughly 2700 words in a dictionary with a 316-thousand word volume one.
But we remember that some words are very repetitive and they may not be different words. For example, in cases where the word used by the writer 600 years ago and written in the form of the word "OYAR / ÖYER" in their book, it also should be written separately as "o yar" (meaning "that/this - lover") and "o yer" (means "that place"), it has been a question of writing them adjacent.
But I do know that some words are repeated in large numbers for about 240 pages. There is nothing abnormal in this that cannot be explained. For example, in cases where the word used by the author 600 years ago and written in the form of the word "OYAR / ÖYER" in his book should be written separately as "o yar" (meaning that lover) and "that place", it has been a matter of writing them adjacent. In addition, when this word is written adjacent, it will be the closest word to today's "IF" word in phonetic "ÖYER (EĞER)" value in Turkish, and the most used meanings of this word;
1) if 2) whether 3) provided that 4) providing 5) providing that.
Who would be surprised to find so many same like words like IF and WHETHER (expressing a doubt or choice between alternatives) in a book?
There is no abnormality in this. Moreover, it is a misconception that the semantic content of the root word that starts with the syllable AY- consists of only two meanings. Now please open this link below and see page 42 in this pdf dictionary which has only 199 pages in total. There, in the explanation of the root word "ay-" in the page have been explained the meaning content of the root of this AY-. And if you understand this, you may have a chance to understand why Turkish same words have many meanings.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
So, We have not yet seen a prefix in the Voynich texts. If these were prefixes of words, they would also not have been written independently. But the word OY (AY) could also be written independently. If you write the prefixes separately, they won't make any sense.
Words that look the same in this dictionary can change or expand their meanings, depending on the meaning of the word in front of it or sometimes after it, just like in the Voynich texts. Of course, linguists who know the structure of these languages will understand better what I mean.
Thanks