20-04-2022, 05:20 PM
(This post was last modified: 21-04-2022, 06:52 AM by Ahmet Ardıç.)
(20-04-2022, 12:44 AM)DonaldFisk wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(16-04-2022, 07:43 PM)Ahmet Ardıç wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Linguist Prof. Dr. Firudin Celilov also read the writings of Etruscan civilization. Also, the language of the Etruscan civilization is not from the Indo-European language family, but is definitely a Turkic language. For this reason, we can read the remaining writings of them.
[The meanings of just over 200 Etruscan words are known with certainty. Etruscan is known to be related to Lemnian and Rhaetic (which we know even less about) and no other languages, past or present. The most reliable textbooks on Etruscan are Zikh Rasna by Rex Wallace and The Etruscan Language by Giuliano and Larissa Bonfante. I am using Etruscan vocabulary from these, and Proto-Turkic vocabulary from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. Below are English / Etruscan / Proto-Turkic where the known vocabularies overlap.
one, two, three, four, five / thu, zal, ci, sha, mach / *bīr, *ẹk(k)i, *üč, *tȫrt, *bẹ̄ĺ(k)
i, you / mi, un / *ben, *sen
not / ei / *ermeŕ
mother, father / ati, apa / *apa, *ata
see, say, give, die / mal-, trin-, tur-, lup- / *kör-, *āy-, *bēr-, *öl-
star, lake, water / pulum, tishsh, thi / *yulduŕ, *kȫl, *sub
day, year / tin, avil / *kün, *yāĺ(*yïl)
good / mlach / *edgü
Except for possibly the words for year, I can't see any resemblance. Among related languages, there will be some resemblances among You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. core vocabulary words.
Turkic languages might for all I know have some grammatical similarities with Etruscan, but that proves very little. For example, Modern English has some grammatical similarities with Chinese (lack of gender, word order) but a core vocabulary comparison (as I've done above for Etruscan and Proto-Turkic) will show they too are unrelated.]
Dear Fisk,
The number or quality of matching words is not the only sign that the two languages may have a unity of origin. In addition to this, there must be other overlaps. I show them below and I will write some of the resources I have benefited from here. But know that the number of words that overlap between Turkish and Etruscan language is much higher.
TURKISH > ETRUSKIC STRUCTURAL SIMILARITY
These common features are:
1) Voice harmony,
2) Absence of gender,
3) Absence of article (letter describe/definition preposition)
4) Conjugation of the verb with suffixes;
5) Use of possessive/property suffix in conjugation;
6) The richness of verb forms;
7.) No (or not much) prefixes such as Turkish (but not like similar as in Indo-European languages)
8) Adjectives are before nouns;
9) Not using plurals after numbers;
10) Using the form from in comparison;
11) using the verb "to be", that is -imek, as an auxiliary verb;
12) Finding special verbs with negative meaning;
13) Having a question word-suffix;
14) It is the existence of verb forms that serve as bonds
(Source: A. Ayda; 2020:167).
Some words are also matched with Turkish in this source which your list is not have thos.
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What list you have written is nothing but explanations consisting of incomplete and incorrect information written in the books and articles you read in the West. The majority of the words in the Etruscan language are those found in Turkic languages. In today's modern Turkey Turkish, more than the words known as Etruscan - Turkish overlap as you list, which you refer here, clearly overlap. You can read about them in the sources I cited earlier. (But all of the source books are in Turkish.)
In order to see similarity, it is necessary to stop examining Turkish words as if examining Indo-European words.
For example, the Etruscan word "ten+eke-/teneke", which is not on your list, means "DAY" (sunup/sunrise/peep out of day and-or day). According to linguists, the Etruscan word "TİN" also means "day". The same scholars say that the Etruscan word "TİNİA" also means "day". The Etruscan word "TESAN" means "dawn". The word must have been converted from the compound word *TENSAN. The root of the word must have turned into TİN and TEN in different dialects because both have a common semantic content.
The word TEN still lives in the Turkish language as TAN. This word was transformed into Indo-European languages from the "*DAN" form and took the form of DAWN.
In fact, in the Etruscan language, both "TİN-" and "TEN" mean "day". Because in the Etruscan language, words were probably living in their forms that changed their sound forms between periods and dialects. (See: < You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.> page 59) This situation is exactly the same today.
The root of this word is the word "TEN-". In the modern Turkish language, these sound forms are separated and their meaning contents are also divided. For example, the Etruscan word "TEN-" has been transformed into the forms "TAN", "TÜN", "KÜN-" and "GÜN-" in different dialects of the Turkish language. The TUN/TÜN or KÜN form of these words survives in the Indo-European languages today as SUN.
May be you can not see the words "TİN" and "TEN" in the sources you look at. Even if you see them, they do not write that they are a unity of origin with the Turkish language. Etymology stories written for almost all of your words that you have connected to the imaginary language called PIE are mostly guesses, similes, anagrams or fabrications.
There are the words IŞIK and IŞIL in the Turkish language. It means "light" and "sun" in English. But linguists think that the word does not mean "sun" but simply "light". Since they do not know how the roots of words are born by gaining meaning content, they prefer to make up instead of saying we don't know.
This word is USİL and UŞİL in Etruscan language. In other words, this word still lives in the same meaning in Turkish as IŞIL / IŞIK for thousands of years. In addition, the word ISI / ISIL (temperature, heat) in Turkish is probably derived from the same common root, but linguists do not write it. This word has evolved into the form *ISOL or USOL to SOL in Latin.
In other words, the common Etruscan root of these words is the word USIL/*USOL and the real root is Pre-Sumerian Turkic Root language but not PIE for sure. These words had been enabled the derivation of words with close sound value and meaning content in the Sumerian language.
When we say this, we are not moving from a few words. More than half of the old vocabulary of many languages such as Arabic, Persian, English, German, Latin has been borrowed from the Turkic root language. Linguistics does not have enough knowledge about Turkish to accept this today.
They could not even match the Etruscan words TİN and TEN with the Turkish words TAN and KÜN. However, the phonetic and semantic closeness between them is quite clear. As they cannot see this, they cannot see that more than half of the vocabulary of the Etruscan language can be easily connected to the same root language. There are reasons for this too.
It is necessary to analyze Turkish words by separating them into root and suffixes. Most linguists do not know this. Because Turkish words should not be studied as if examining the words of a language group that has been relatively formalized in the last periods of the linguistic history of humanity, such as Indo-European languages.
Today, our linguists make more Etruscan and Turkish and Sumerian Turkish word matches in every new article they write. These numbers will increase as older texts are read and minor errors in transcriptions are corrected.
Other resources / some words are also matched with Turkish in this source which your list is not have those.
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See the word TAN here; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
See the word "GÜN ağarması" here; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
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