16-04-2022, 07:43 PM
[quote="Aga Tentakulus" pid='49952' dateline='1650109748']
[Stick to the facts.]
Mr. Tentakulus,
For sure. Please stick to the facts only.
We must not stray from the path of Science and accept only the predominant evidence available. Enough fake history has been written and read with personal opinions.
Researcher Kazım Mirşan showed that he had read many Runic writings of different periods in different parts of Europe, which he wrote in 1970 (in the book whose name I shared in my previous comment), with the transcription he made for them.
Linguist Prof. Dr. Firudin Celilov also read the writings of Etruscan civilization. Also, the language of the Etruscan civilization is not from the Indo-European language family, but is definitely a Turkic language. For this reason, we can read the remaining writings of them. Moreover, genetic studies confirm us. However, there are those who use terminologies such as the Anatolian peoples in order not to show Turkish connection in their scientific articles in order to manipulate them. You believe in artificial and unrealistic historical information. Actually, you are not alone. Almost as many Europeans and Americans think as you do. However, the facts are different. Whether you accept it or not, we read the Runic writings that have come to light through archaeological studies in the whole European geography and the Mediterranean.
Many DNA researchers have been pointing that;
"The shortest genetic distances between the Etruscan and modern populations are with Tuscans (FST=0.036; P=.0017) and Turks (FST=0.037; P=.0001); values of FST<0.050 were also observed for other populations of the Mediterranean shores and for the Cornish. The mean pairwise sequence differences between the Etruscans and other European populations range from 3.79 to 6.26 substitutions, with a global average of 4.64. The Tuscans differ from the Etruscans by 4.65 substitutions—that is, almost exactly the value that would be expected with a random population from the database. However, these values are also affected by the internal diversity of both samples being compared. If we subtract the internal diversity, thus obtaining Nei’s (1987) dAB distance, the genetic distance between Etruscans and Tuscans becomes the shortest, with other southern and eastern Mediterranean populations also showing relatively close genetic relationships (fig. 3). In the MDS plot (fig. 4), the Etruscans fall out of an unstructured cluster comprising most European and Caucasus populations, including the Turks. To better compare the Etruscan gene pool with those of contemporary Italy, we treated these populations as hybrids among four potential parental populations, from the four corners of the area considered in this study (table 2). The likely contributions of each parental population, or admixture coefficients, are similar for the three modern Italian populations, but Etruscans differ in two aspects: they show closer relationships both to North Africans and to Turks than any contemporary population. In particular, the Turkish component in their gene pool appears three times as large as in the other populations. These admixture estimates are not to be taken at their face value, for numerous assumptions underlie their estimation. Here they only serve to show that, with respect to modern Italian gene pools, the Etruscan one contains an excess of haplotypes suggesting evolutionary ties with the populations of the southern and eastern Mediterranean shores. ... To summarize, only a few Etruscan sequences find an exact match in the modern database, but all belong to lineages that are still present in Europe. Some genetic affinities with modern people from western Europe reflect the sharing of lineages (5AM, 6AM, and 19M) that are widespread over the whole continent, and that therefore do not seem to point to any migrational contact but rather to a common origin of various European gene pools. On the contrary, the similarity between the Etruscan and Turkish gene pools may indeed reflect some degree of gene flow. Commercial exchanges are documented between the Etruscan harbours and Asia Minor (Tykot 1994) and trading is often accompanied by interbreeding, ultimately leading to detectable levels of genetic affinity (see Relethford and Crawford 1995). Thus, the present study suggests that gene flow from the eastern (and possibly southern) Mediterranean shores, not necessarily from Lydia as proposed by Herodotus, left a mark in the Etruscan gene pool, above and beyond what is observed in contemporary Italy."
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According to a Turin genetic specialist, 30% of a native Tuscan’s DNA is quite similar to the inhabitants of Anatolia, now modern-day Turkey. The percentage of similarity rises to 40% in the inhabitants of Murlo, a small village in the province of Siena, who thanks to isolation, are believed to be direct descendants of the Etruscans, the original settlers of Tuscany, held to have migrated from Asia Minor. To read more in Italian, visit Florence’s La Repubblica news site.
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And see this source article too; And see this source article too; Huseynova H. HISTORICAL FACTS: ETRUSCES AND THE ALPHABET. International Journal of Scientific Research (IBAD). 2017; 104-109. / Huseynova H. TARİHİ GERÇEKLER: ETRUSKLAR VE ALFABE. Uluslararası Bilimsel Araştırmalar Dergisi (IBAD). 2017; 104-109.
The people known as Etruscans shared ancestors; that is to say, they were not a group of people who ended up in the same area as each other due to similarities in character. That there was a distinct similarity between the DNA of modern Turks and the Etruscans. This proves the fact that there were, within the Etruscan population, those of Eastern.
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The debate on the origins of Etruscans, documented in central Italy between the eighth century BC and the first century AD, dates back to antiquity. Herodotus described them as a group of immigrants from Lydia, in Western Anatolia, whereas for Dionysius of Halicarnassus they were an indigenous population. Dionysius' view is shared by most modern archeologists, but the observation of similarities between the (modern) mitochondrial DNAs (mtDNAs) of Turks and Tuscans was interpreted as supporting an Anatolian origin of the Etruscans. ... The results show that the observed genetic similarities between modern Tuscans and Anatolians cannot be attributed to an immigration wave from the East leading to the onset of the Etruscan culture in Italy. Genetic links between Tuscany and Anatolia do exist, but date back to a remote stage of prehistory, possibly but not necessarily to the spread of farmers during the Neolithic period.
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Some researchers extracted and typed the hypervariable region of mitochondrial DNA of 14 individuals buried in two Etruscan necropoleis, analyzing them along with other Etruscan and Medieval samples, and 4,910 contemporary individuals from the Mediterranean basin. Comparing ancient (30 Etruscans, 27 Medieval individuals) and modern DNA sequences (370 Tuscans), with the results of millions of computer simulations, we show that the Etruscans can be considered ancestral, with a high degree of confidence, to the current inhabitants of Casentino and Volterra, but not to the general contemporary population of the former Etruscan homeland. By further considering two Anatolian samples (35 and 123 individuals) we could estimate that the genetic links between Tuscany and Anatolia date back to at least 5,000 years ago, strongly suggesting that the Etruscan culture developed locally, and not as an immediate consequence of immigration from the Eastern Mediterranean shores.
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Genealogical discontinuity may result from a number of phenomena, ranging from the Etruscans’ extinction to a deep dilution of their genetic features due to extensive input of immigrants or mass emigration after the Roman assimilation. However, a third, and simpler, explanation was proposed by Achilli et al. (2007), who observed similarities between the contemporary mtDNAs of Turks and three samples of Tuscans. They interpreted this finding as evidence of a common descent of these populations from Etruscan ancestors. To account for the low haplotype sharing between contemporary people and the Etruscans, Achilli et al. (2007) invoked unspecified technical errors in the ancient sequences, concluding that the Etruscans’ DNA may be misleading if one is to understand the Etruscans’ origins.
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You have a situation where you think that your personal wishes match with real life, but I guess you are not the only one in the same situation. That's why the best way to question the veracity of your fixed and endearing ideas is to look at what the opposing views say and the evidence they present.
Regards
[Stick to the facts.]
Mr. Tentakulus,
For sure. Please stick to the facts only.
We must not stray from the path of Science and accept only the predominant evidence available. Enough fake history has been written and read with personal opinions.
Researcher Kazım Mirşan showed that he had read many Runic writings of different periods in different parts of Europe, which he wrote in 1970 (in the book whose name I shared in my previous comment), with the transcription he made for them.
Linguist Prof. Dr. Firudin Celilov also read the writings of Etruscan civilization. Also, the language of the Etruscan civilization is not from the Indo-European language family, but is definitely a Turkic language. For this reason, we can read the remaining writings of them. Moreover, genetic studies confirm us. However, there are those who use terminologies such as the Anatolian peoples in order not to show Turkish connection in their scientific articles in order to manipulate them. You believe in artificial and unrealistic historical information. Actually, you are not alone. Almost as many Europeans and Americans think as you do. However, the facts are different. Whether you accept it or not, we read the Runic writings that have come to light through archaeological studies in the whole European geography and the Mediterranean.
Many DNA researchers have been pointing that;
"The shortest genetic distances between the Etruscan and modern populations are with Tuscans (FST=0.036; P=.0017) and Turks (FST=0.037; P=.0001); values of FST<0.050 were also observed for other populations of the Mediterranean shores and for the Cornish. The mean pairwise sequence differences between the Etruscans and other European populations range from 3.79 to 6.26 substitutions, with a global average of 4.64. The Tuscans differ from the Etruscans by 4.65 substitutions—that is, almost exactly the value that would be expected with a random population from the database. However, these values are also affected by the internal diversity of both samples being compared. If we subtract the internal diversity, thus obtaining Nei’s (1987) dAB distance, the genetic distance between Etruscans and Tuscans becomes the shortest, with other southern and eastern Mediterranean populations also showing relatively close genetic relationships (fig. 3). In the MDS plot (fig. 4), the Etruscans fall out of an unstructured cluster comprising most European and Caucasus populations, including the Turks. To better compare the Etruscan gene pool with those of contemporary Italy, we treated these populations as hybrids among four potential parental populations, from the four corners of the area considered in this study (table 2). The likely contributions of each parental population, or admixture coefficients, are similar for the three modern Italian populations, but Etruscans differ in two aspects: they show closer relationships both to North Africans and to Turks than any contemporary population. In particular, the Turkish component in their gene pool appears three times as large as in the other populations. These admixture estimates are not to be taken at their face value, for numerous assumptions underlie their estimation. Here they only serve to show that, with respect to modern Italian gene pools, the Etruscan one contains an excess of haplotypes suggesting evolutionary ties with the populations of the southern and eastern Mediterranean shores. ... To summarize, only a few Etruscan sequences find an exact match in the modern database, but all belong to lineages that are still present in Europe. Some genetic affinities with modern people from western Europe reflect the sharing of lineages (5AM, 6AM, and 19M) that are widespread over the whole continent, and that therefore do not seem to point to any migrational contact but rather to a common origin of various European gene pools. On the contrary, the similarity between the Etruscan and Turkish gene pools may indeed reflect some degree of gene flow. Commercial exchanges are documented between the Etruscan harbours and Asia Minor (Tykot 1994) and trading is often accompanied by interbreeding, ultimately leading to detectable levels of genetic affinity (see Relethford and Crawford 1995). Thus, the present study suggests that gene flow from the eastern (and possibly southern) Mediterranean shores, not necessarily from Lydia as proposed by Herodotus, left a mark in the Etruscan gene pool, above and beyond what is observed in contemporary Italy."
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According to a Turin genetic specialist, 30% of a native Tuscan’s DNA is quite similar to the inhabitants of Anatolia, now modern-day Turkey. The percentage of similarity rises to 40% in the inhabitants of Murlo, a small village in the province of Siena, who thanks to isolation, are believed to be direct descendants of the Etruscans, the original settlers of Tuscany, held to have migrated from Asia Minor. To read more in Italian, visit Florence’s La Repubblica news site.
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And see this source article too; And see this source article too; Huseynova H. HISTORICAL FACTS: ETRUSCES AND THE ALPHABET. International Journal of Scientific Research (IBAD). 2017; 104-109. / Huseynova H. TARİHİ GERÇEKLER: ETRUSKLAR VE ALFABE. Uluslararası Bilimsel Araştırmalar Dergisi (IBAD). 2017; 104-109.
The people known as Etruscans shared ancestors; that is to say, they were not a group of people who ended up in the same area as each other due to similarities in character. That there was a distinct similarity between the DNA of modern Turks and the Etruscans. This proves the fact that there were, within the Etruscan population, those of Eastern.
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See This: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
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The debate on the origins of Etruscans, documented in central Italy between the eighth century BC and the first century AD, dates back to antiquity. Herodotus described them as a group of immigrants from Lydia, in Western Anatolia, whereas for Dionysius of Halicarnassus they were an indigenous population. Dionysius' view is shared by most modern archeologists, but the observation of similarities between the (modern) mitochondrial DNAs (mtDNAs) of Turks and Tuscans was interpreted as supporting an Anatolian origin of the Etruscans. ... The results show that the observed genetic similarities between modern Tuscans and Anatolians cannot be attributed to an immigration wave from the East leading to the onset of the Etruscan culture in Italy. Genetic links between Tuscany and Anatolia do exist, but date back to a remote stage of prehistory, possibly but not necessarily to the spread of farmers during the Neolithic period.
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Some researchers extracted and typed the hypervariable region of mitochondrial DNA of 14 individuals buried in two Etruscan necropoleis, analyzing them along with other Etruscan and Medieval samples, and 4,910 contemporary individuals from the Mediterranean basin. Comparing ancient (30 Etruscans, 27 Medieval individuals) and modern DNA sequences (370 Tuscans), with the results of millions of computer simulations, we show that the Etruscans can be considered ancestral, with a high degree of confidence, to the current inhabitants of Casentino and Volterra, but not to the general contemporary population of the former Etruscan homeland. By further considering two Anatolian samples (35 and 123 individuals) we could estimate that the genetic links between Tuscany and Anatolia date back to at least 5,000 years ago, strongly suggesting that the Etruscan culture developed locally, and not as an immediate consequence of immigration from the Eastern Mediterranean shores.
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Genealogical discontinuity may result from a number of phenomena, ranging from the Etruscans’ extinction to a deep dilution of their genetic features due to extensive input of immigrants or mass emigration after the Roman assimilation. However, a third, and simpler, explanation was proposed by Achilli et al. (2007), who observed similarities between the contemporary mtDNAs of Turks and three samples of Tuscans. They interpreted this finding as evidence of a common descent of these populations from Etruscan ancestors. To account for the low haplotype sharing between contemporary people and the Etruscans, Achilli et al. (2007) invoked unspecified technical errors in the ancient sequences, concluding that the Etruscans’ DNA may be misleading if one is to understand the Etruscans’ origins.
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You have a situation where you think that your personal wishes match with real life, but I guess you are not the only one in the same situation. That's why the best way to question the veracity of your fixed and endearing ideas is to look at what the opposing views say and the evidence they present.
Regards