Calgary engineer believes he's cracked the mysterious Voynich Manuscript
(12-04-2022, 03:20 PM)davidjackson wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Ahmed,
[When I said 'not to be rude', I meant that it was my hope you would not think I was being rude by raising the question. I certainly did not intend for you to think you had been rude. My apologies.
I think you have not understood my question.
A) the number 2 was not being written that way at the beginning of the 15th century in Europe. What evidence have you got that in Turkey it was being written in its modern form?
B) for your theory of 2 as shorthand (ie like 2U for 'to you'), what words does two sound like in Turkish of the era?]



Mr. Jackson,

Since my English is quite bad, I can sometimes misunderstand what is being asked or said. And I already have difficulties in expressing my thoughts in English. For this reason, I must say that I do not want some of my direct statements to be perceived as rude. It's possible that my broken English is causing me to understand what's being said and presenting it in a way I didn't anticipate, rather than the way I thought I wanted to express it. So I guess the problem may also be related to my lack of English.

You can see various partially different Turkish Runic signs on the internet. This is because there are differences in geography, dialect and time between them. However, another reason may also be related to the fact that the Turkic-speaking groups, which are political rivals to each other, have changed their alphabet in order to format a separate nation and separate their own people from the other.


Now I will share some links and some tables below. Later, I will extract some runic signs from these tamloes and present them in another table with number signs and some explanations. I hope my English will be enough for me to express the subject I want to tell correctly. So much so that there are certain ties between the basic number pronouns and the signs called Arabic numerals in the Turkish language. Actually, I call these types of ligaments "lingulineal-overlaps". Do not look for this conceptional word in English dictionaries because you will not find it. Because in order to express the subject, I just produced it now and its explanation should be as follows;

Linguilineal-overlaps = 'the overlapping of the phonetic or semantic forms of the root sounds or first letters of the pronouns with the lineal forms of their alphabet or tamga sign'. 
I don't know how to express this thought in English with using one word. However, in a sense, this is the lineal expression of abstract definitions or thoughts by converting them into simple tamga-signs or typefaces.

Sample; like expressing a living entity with a single vertical line with the inference "if alive it can stand", while expressing a dead entity with a single horizontal line with the inference "if it is dead it collapses and becomes horizontal". Or by combining a vertical and a horizontal line in a T-form, assuming that "God created the living and dead realm," creating a tamga sign. 

Now please see this link. Because I cut off some marks there and added them to the table below. Thus, I will try to express the subject that I will try to explain through the concept content I mentioned.

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I will now explain some of the basic number pronouns below by showing specific examples.


For example, I will make statements like "the number we sing today in the form of "BİR" (one) was used in the form of PİR (that is, its first sound is not B, but in the form of P) in many dialects in the past and today.

Here I am referencing an academic paper to validate these sound formats below.

(For Old Turkish Numbers Phonetic forms according to the dialect differences, please see this source: 
Karadavut, Arda, Numbers in Old Turkic: Structural And Semantic Approach PhD Thesis, Hacettepe University Turkic Studies Institute / Ankara, 2020)

      The source from which we quoted this second table: {Kazım Mirşan's 1970 book named "Proto-Türkçe Yazıtlar" (Proto-Turkish Inscriptions), page 29'}

Now, examine the preliminary information and tables and resources I shared above, together with the explanations I shared below. Thus, you can see that some of the basic numbers called Arabic Numerals overlap with Turkish Runics in certain ways. Note: Here I have given examples of numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4 in connection with Runic signs. There is some overlap in other basic numbers as well. In fact, this is also the subject of an article, and the article I mentioned brings a different perspective to the widely known birth and evolution chart of writing and alphabets, not just the number forms.


I do not want to extend the subject, but there are similar situations for other number pronouns and many signs of the alphabet called the Latin alphabet. Moreover, the Cyrillic alphabet will not escape this coverage.

Moreover, even if we assume that none of the overlaps that I will explain below have taken place, the phonetic value of the numbers from 1 to 9 in the Voynich manuscript texts per seen. Even only this issue itself is enough to prove that 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 was used as an alphabet letter units with their phonetic values in first time in history for sure.


Explanation about the numeral 1:

The basic number pronouns in the Turkish language were born with the names given to the fingers.

In Turkish the word "YOK (none)" also means "sıfır (zero)".
After this YOK (none/zero), the first finger to exist was named VAR/BAR. The meaning of "*VAR"/BAR is existing / to exist in English.

This word has evolved in different dialects as PAR > BAR > BİR. This word is pronounced as PİR in many different dialects.

1 = Pir/Bir/Br/Bar is seen in all of the historical Turkish dialects in its different Old Turkish form. But this sign (1) corresponded to the P sound in Runic script. It cannot be a coincidence that the P sound is the first sound of the PİR / BİR (ONE) numeral noun. Because the other basic number pronouns have a similar situation. In other words, the first sound of the phonetic value of the verbal pronunciation of these numbers in our language was expressed with these Runic signs.

The number is pronounced in the form of PİR in some dialects today. For example, it is in the form pĩr (ÇTS, p. 222) in Chuvash Turkish. It is thought that in the past it was pronounced in the form of pir in more dialects. That is, the 1 sign corresponds to the first sound of the word Pir, P.

In the main Altaic Turkic language (Ana Altay Türkçesinde), it is assumed to have been in the form of pir (1) in the past. In other words, the first sound is the P sound, and the sign expressed in the form of "Arabic numerals" today corresponds to the P sound in Turkish Runic signs, and this is an abbreviation form with the name pir as like a number.

Although there are some minor differences between the Turkish Runic alphabets of different geographies, we see these signs especially in the entire northern hemisphere. For example, these Runic signs are also seen in the Americas. The reason for this is that the nomadic groups of Turkic speakers, who have lived for thousands of years, convey the information to the geographies where they migrated.

These "Latin" P as the basic pronouns in Runic written forms can be seen in the written texts of the Turkish language dated to the seventh and eighth centuries, and one of the oldest sound forms of 1 as the word was pir. (In the image, this sign is in the form of 1 in Orkhun Turkish Runic Alphabet. It was used in the seventh or eighth century.)

The synonymous pronunciation of the number 1 (bir/pir) in the Turkish language is in the form of "TEK". The vocalizations in the form of YEK in the Persian language, which is said to be an Indo-European language (1), are nothing but the changed phonetic value of the number noun and the Turkish synonym "TEK".

Explanation about the numeral 2:
2 = Ėki “iki (two)” (pronounced EKİ in many Old Turkish dialects.)
The number two (2) is witnessed as ekki, ekki, two in the historical Turkic dialects Karakhanid Turkish, as two, ikki, ekki in Khwarezm Turkish, as two, ikki, ekki, ekki, yeki in Kipchak, and as two, ikki in Chagatay (Kaymaz, 2002, p. 753-755). "EKİ" (KTS, p. 410) in Kazakh Turkish is also seen as "EKI" in Kyrgyz Turkish. In other words, the first sound of the phonetic value of the verbal pronunciation of these numbers in our language was expressed with these Runic signs.

Main Altai p'ek' ("p/pir/bir eki" meaning is "the attached finger of the first finger" (name of the second finger). It is in the form of ėkki in the Khalaj dialect. This word is also seen in Japanese, which has the same root as Turkish, and in other languages. Old Japanese "p(w)) oko", Ryukyu Jap. fòká appears in Tokyo Japanese as Hòka.

In other words, the meaning of the word arose from the understanding of "the second finger attached to the first finger". Here again, the synonymous word in the Turkish language root is "TU = Tutturmak / Tutunmak (the root of the words to fasten, to hold on, to be fastened, etc.)". Here, this synonymous word lives in the same meaning with its close phonetic value at the root of the word 2 (TWO) as in English today.


Explanation about the numeral 3:
3 = UÇ > ÜÇ
The third finger is longer than the others. This finger was named with synonyms in the sense of tip (*uç/uçlu), high, and more alive/taller (uzun/uçlu/*diri) than the others.

In other words, the words *UÇ (at the tip/taller), and *DİRİ (more-alive/taller/long) are synonyms for this finger and the name of this number. Today, the number 3 in the Turkish language is not referred to as UÇ, but as ÜÇ.

The form "*DİRİ > *TİRİ" (with the meaning of live, high, and/or long) appears in English as the number-name as THREE in phonetic value. So much so that in many dialects of the Turkish language, D > T and T > D sound transformation is a very common situation. The use of *DİRİ/*TİRİ in Turkish probably disappeared in the language before the year 800. Today, there is the word DİRİ in our language, and this word has the old root (di-/ti-/te-/ta-/de-/da-) meaning we mentioned here, but its use in that sense has not been seen for a long time.

The U sound, one of the Turkish Runic inscriptions, is the first sound of the word *UÇ/ÜÇ of this 3 numeral noun. So here is the same situation seen in the previous examples. Only the line from both ends is extended a little more (to the side) in return for our U sign in the Latin alphabet in the Runic Turkish script.

In Turkish Runic writing signs of different geographies, there are also forms of some signs that turned 90 degrees to the right or left or 180 degrees to the opposite direction can be seen with compairing to another geography Runic signs. The possibility that different alphabets were used differently in different geographies for political reasons can be considered.


Explanation about the numeral 4:
Turkish Runic signs evolved differently in different geographies. A triangular sign is the equivalent of D sound in many dialects in Turkish Runics. The Turkish number 4 "DÖRT" (Four) also starts with the D sound. These all are abbreviations. We also know that there are already D sound characters drawn entirely in the form of 4. In other words, the first sound of the phonetic value of the verbal pronunciation of these numbers in our language was expressed with these Runic signs.

In the oldest Turkish, the sign named 4 must have been expressed in the form of a triangle with a pointed edge, like an arrowhead. Because this word is of DÜRT (verb to nudge or to poke / or in some other culters to pointing edge) origin. The index finger of our hand should have been named in that way with its the poke/pointing "DÜRT" function. The word "DÜRT" (4) in Turkish is pronounced as "DÖRT" today.

Etc. Etc. This all are linguilineal-overlaps.

We must say that all these features are also seen in the Voynich manuscript.

If you pay attention to the tables, in the book written by the researcher writer Mr. Kazım Mirşan in 1970 (which book name I wrote at the bottom of the table), the sign corresponding to the "Ç" sound is nothing but a 90 degree rotated version of the sign in the Voynich alphabet.

In other words, all these are already known things and we did not pick up certain sounds by chance in the face of a sign. Runic inscriptions found in many archaeological excavations in Europe and Cyprus have already been read in Turkish for many years.

As you can see from the tables, the Turkish Runics are exactly the same in some Latin alphabet characters. All this is no coincidence.
Because all these show overlaps in accordance with the concept of lingulineal-overlaps in Turkish.


Thanks for reading &  I am unhappy for my broken English.


Regards,


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RE: Calgary engineer believes he's cracked the mysterious Voynich Manuscript - by Ahmet Ardıç - 15-04-2022, 11:47 PM

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