06-04-2022, 04:33 PM
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Example of a New Drawing Word Match (folio 85 r - 86 v)
We've just (this morning) detected this overlap. This is the 93rd drawing and word match we detected. This number will certainly increase exponentially in the future.
It's a compound word.
2OZGZ / 2 OZ GZ
The word means "2 girls facing each other" (face to face or one in front of the other).
means "2 girls facing each other"
This compound word has the number 2 at the beginning. The middle word is the word OZ and the end is the word GZ.
The left start-section part is written as digits/numbers 2. Now notice the slight drawing difference between 2 and Z here. Normally, ATA has a letter-drawing-structure that can be compared to each other as letter R, Z and 2 in the alphabet. It is rather difficult to separate those with each other. Moreover, we can say that this manuscript was written by more than one person, but that one of them wrote only in the form of copying the firs texts written by the first author (the original author). Throughout this ninja page, I have mentioned in one of my previous comment which section has different hands.
Both of these (OZ & ÖZ) words have different meanings in Turkish.
Both the words ÖZ and OZ have not changed in terms of phonetic value in the 600 years that have passed since they were written. Moreover, qualifying the word as OZ or ÖZ will not make a difference that would disrupt the semantic integrity of the sentence in which this word is used.
In fact, it is not difficult to guess that these words can be used in different dialects with their phonetic value converted to each other. For this reason, even if we look at the semantic content of both separately, we should not think that it will make any sense just because of the sound transformations between dialects.
Because we may be studying the words of a dialect that we cannot define fully at the moment and whose analogue has probably not been recorded before. In this respect, the word expressed in the form of OZ in one dialect may also be expressed in the form of ÖZ in another dialect.
We still refer to the semantic contents found in the old dictionaries and today's dictionaries created accordingly by taking the dialects of Turkey Turkish as reference.
The word ÖZ as an adjective; It also means "own", "genuine", etc.
However, this word has some most commonly used meanings in the Turkish such as; "basic element of something" and "Blood connected/related (non-stepchildren)" are widely used.
If you read this word as 2 ÖZ GZ (2 ÖZ GIZ), then we understand it means as "two daughters/girls who born from the same mother".
In addition, the word 2 ÖZ GIZ has meanings such as "two friendly girls" too.
(ÖZ = from the same mother, friendly, intimate, cordial, genuine, candid, hearty, interior, heartfelt, genuine, deep. Etc)
But judging by the drawing on the page, the word OZ means "across / facing-across". (Such as "2 girls face to face each other" or "2 girls which front of or ahead another").
I have shown the dictionary pages of all the pronunciations of these words below.
Of course, almost all Turkish words have very rich meanings. But those who know this language will understand from sentence construction without confusing which meaning should be perceived.
According to the Etymology word of the Turkish language, the word ÖZ is mentioned in the texts of "Orkhon Inscriptions" in the Old Turkish period in 735.
This word is also mentioned in the manuscript "Divan-i Lugati't-Türk", which is a manuscript of 1073 and written by Kashgari.
Accordingly, we know clearly that this word was written in the same way it was written in 735, in 1073 and today (in 2022), without any phonetic value changes.
You can check the Etymology dictionary page of the Turkish language that we use as a source, from the page I shared here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
After these explanations, if we examine this word in a little more detail, we can write the following:
We can read this word in scroll number 85 r-86 v of the ATA manuscript (also called the Voynich manuscript). This word is written by the author in the format "2OZGZ". According to the ATA alphabet transcription, it can also be read like "2ÖZGZ".
Except for two words of the sentence in which this word is written, we read the others clearly. The help of linguists will be useful for words that are usually written in abbreviation form or written by splitting.
This word is formed by combining a number and two separate words that would not normally be expected to be combined with each other.
It is common in the whole of VM (ATA) writing that the words were written as separate words by dividing them into syllables, while they were supposed to be written separately but were combined or written adjacent. This may be due to the fact that the author wanted the texts to be difficult to read.
Accordingly, we can read this word as 2 OZ GZ or 2 ÖZ GZ.
Here, the word written in GZ form at the end is written in abbreviation form.
Or to put it another way, this word is written without vowels. A similar situation can be seen in many manuscripts in Old Turkish. In other words, being this type, we know very clearly in terms of written Turkish that the first word written without using vowels is not mentioned in this manuscript.
Anyone who speaks Turkish as a native language will read this word written in the form of GZ, mostly in the form of GIZ, following the sound harmony of the words before it. It is not possible to remove these two consonants from the mouth without putting a vowel in between.
This word was pronounced as KIZ in some dialects and as GIZ in some dialects in the Old Turkish period. In some local dialects, this word is also pronounced as GİZ.
Today, dialects pronouncing this word in all three ways still exist in Anatolia.
To see this, please see the source dictionaries we have shared here.
You can look up the meaning of the word GIZ in this dictionary page:
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You can look up the meaning of the word GIRL on this dictionary page:
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You can look up the meaning of the word GİZ on this dictionary page:
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You can look up the meaning of the word ÖZ in this dictionary page:
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You can also look up the meaning of the word OZ in this dictionary page:
OZ = Karşı karşıya = "face to face each other" and-or "front of or ahead another"
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Every word in Turkish has a root. These root words are usually monosyllabic. The meaning diversity of words expands depending on the root meaning. However, any addition to any root word cannot change the root word's semantic content.
If you want to look up the root meaning of the words OZ and ÖZ (or if you want to see the semantic content of any Turkish root word), the "Turkish Roots Dictionary" written by the linguist İsmet Zeki Eyüboğlu will be a good source of information.
Of course there are other sources as well. But don't get tired of look for these words on "google translate" because you can see their semantic content there partially, and real dictionaries have wider content.
See this "Turkish Roots Dictionary" source: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Some of what is shown as the meaning content of the word OZ in this dictionary are:
"OZ-, Antecedent voice A.
The word suffix denoting action is -mak.
Some meanings of the root word OZ: “to organize, to talk a lot, to tell a legend, to go ahead, to win in a race, to talk in vain, to put forward, to go forward.” Etc.
Here, the word OZ in particular has root meanings such as "to go forward", "to put forward", "to arrange", "to pass", "to go ahead (to get ahead)".
In this example, where we examine the content of "the face to face position", a drawing presents word overlap.
Many words in the Indo-European language also have more than one meaning. However, it is possible to see this event in a wider context in Turkish. Because the way the root words are born or created is often different. Based on this, meanings that seem contradictory or seem unrelated in any word are actually often born together in connection with each other.
If we give an example, it may be better understood why Turkish words can have very different meanings.
In order for you to understand this, you can visualize the imaginary example that I will talk about here now by empathizing. Although the evidence for when it first occurred is not in the hands of scientists, imagine the early days when the words of any language were born and humans began to speak.
Imagine the period when words in the language were just being born. Being in such a past tense, let's say you went into a cave for shelter on a rainy stormy day and we're looking outside from there. All of a sudden, a very powerful light appeared in the sky.
Then we heard a strong explosion sound. And then suppose we saw that lightning struck trees and deer, and perhaps a few of our close relatives, and that we saw them die or even burn with this blow. In that case, it is possible to interpret this event as a divine power.
In this case, everyone who witness this event at that moment is trying to imitate the sound made during the lightning strike as much as possible (as a reflection-sound (as a onomatopoetic words)) in order to remind each other of the event in the later time. Suppose this onomatopoetic imitation is made by witness with using the ÇAK (CHAK) sound.
Now this (ÇAK) is a root word. Can we just say that the meaning of this word means lightning only?
Everyone who witnessed the occurrence of the event will associate the phonetic value of that word every time this word is uttered after that day, by remembering every detail they have observed in the events experienced one by one.
In other words, the first people to use this word in the language will attribute all the events they observed to the lightning strike they witnessed by putting it into the meaning content.
So the word ÇAK for them is; shall mean "strong light, explosion, fire, smoke, flame, death, angle, burn, blow, arm of light, divine ray, divine punishment" etc.
Additions to this word in the future can only change this root meaning, but it does not destroy the root meaning content.
This is why the semantic content, which we see as unrelated today, occurs in languages based on root and word suffix relations.
In other words, this situation is not only valid for the Turkish language. But numerically, I can say that there are many more root words in this situation in Turkish. Of course, an onomatopoetic word can be in any language.
However, the Indo-European languages must have acquired the word structure and most of the words in the younger periods with their whole and developed and mostly polysyllabic phonetic structure. So logic tells us that this is very likely to have happened.
Of course, words weren't just born as onomatopoetic words. Some were created by humans at some time in the past. But while doing this, of course, it was done by making use of the onomatopoetic vocabulary of the previous period.
In fact, a certain part of the vocabulary in every language may have been created by people thinking and planning. These are the details that linguists put forward different ideas.
Sorry for my broken English.
Thank you for reading.
We've just (this morning) detected this overlap. This is the 93rd drawing and word match we detected. This number will certainly increase exponentially in the future.
It's a compound word.
The word means "2 girls facing each other" (face to face or one in front of the other).
This compound word has the number 2 at the beginning. The middle word is the word OZ and the end is the word GZ.
The left start-section part is written as digits/numbers 2. Now notice the slight drawing difference between 2 and Z here. Normally, ATA has a letter-drawing-structure that can be compared to each other as letter R, Z and 2 in the alphabet. It is rather difficult to separate those with each other. Moreover, we can say that this manuscript was written by more than one person, but that one of them wrote only in the form of copying the firs texts written by the first author (the original author). Throughout this ninja page, I have mentioned in one of my previous comment which section has different hands.
Both of these (OZ & ÖZ) words have different meanings in Turkish.
Both the words ÖZ and OZ have not changed in terms of phonetic value in the 600 years that have passed since they were written. Moreover, qualifying the word as OZ or ÖZ will not make a difference that would disrupt the semantic integrity of the sentence in which this word is used.
In fact, it is not difficult to guess that these words can be used in different dialects with their phonetic value converted to each other. For this reason, even if we look at the semantic content of both separately, we should not think that it will make any sense just because of the sound transformations between dialects.
Because we may be studying the words of a dialect that we cannot define fully at the moment and whose analogue has probably not been recorded before. In this respect, the word expressed in the form of OZ in one dialect may also be expressed in the form of ÖZ in another dialect.
We still refer to the semantic contents found in the old dictionaries and today's dictionaries created accordingly by taking the dialects of Turkey Turkish as reference.
The word ÖZ as an adjective; It also means "own", "genuine", etc.
However, this word has some most commonly used meanings in the Turkish such as; "basic element of something" and "Blood connected/related (non-stepchildren)" are widely used.
If you read this word as 2 ÖZ GZ (2 ÖZ GIZ), then we understand it means as "two daughters/girls who born from the same mother".
In addition, the word 2 ÖZ GIZ has meanings such as "two friendly girls" too.
(ÖZ = from the same mother, friendly, intimate, cordial, genuine, candid, hearty, interior, heartfelt, genuine, deep. Etc)
But judging by the drawing on the page, the word OZ means "across / facing-across". (Such as "2 girls face to face each other" or "2 girls which front of or ahead another").
I have shown the dictionary pages of all the pronunciations of these words below.
Of course, almost all Turkish words have very rich meanings. But those who know this language will understand from sentence construction without confusing which meaning should be perceived.
According to the Etymology word of the Turkish language, the word ÖZ is mentioned in the texts of "Orkhon Inscriptions" in the Old Turkish period in 735.
This word is also mentioned in the manuscript "Divan-i Lugati't-Türk", which is a manuscript of 1073 and written by Kashgari.
Accordingly, we know clearly that this word was written in the same way it was written in 735, in 1073 and today (in 2022), without any phonetic value changes.
You can check the Etymology dictionary page of the Turkish language that we use as a source, from the page I shared here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
After these explanations, if we examine this word in a little more detail, we can write the following:
We can read this word in scroll number 85 r-86 v of the ATA manuscript (also called the Voynich manuscript). This word is written by the author in the format "2OZGZ". According to the ATA alphabet transcription, it can also be read like "2ÖZGZ".
Except for two words of the sentence in which this word is written, we read the others clearly. The help of linguists will be useful for words that are usually written in abbreviation form or written by splitting.
This word is formed by combining a number and two separate words that would not normally be expected to be combined with each other.
It is common in the whole of VM (ATA) writing that the words were written as separate words by dividing them into syllables, while they were supposed to be written separately but were combined or written adjacent. This may be due to the fact that the author wanted the texts to be difficult to read.
Accordingly, we can read this word as 2 OZ GZ or 2 ÖZ GZ.
Here, the word written in GZ form at the end is written in abbreviation form.
Or to put it another way, this word is written without vowels. A similar situation can be seen in many manuscripts in Old Turkish. In other words, being this type, we know very clearly in terms of written Turkish that the first word written without using vowels is not mentioned in this manuscript.
Anyone who speaks Turkish as a native language will read this word written in the form of GZ, mostly in the form of GIZ, following the sound harmony of the words before it. It is not possible to remove these two consonants from the mouth without putting a vowel in between.
This word was pronounced as KIZ in some dialects and as GIZ in some dialects in the Old Turkish period. In some local dialects, this word is also pronounced as GİZ.
Today, dialects pronouncing this word in all three ways still exist in Anatolia.
To see this, please see the source dictionaries we have shared here.
You can look up the meaning of the word GIZ in this dictionary page:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
You can look up the meaning of the word GIRL on this dictionary page:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
You can look up the meaning of the word GİZ on this dictionary page:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
You can look up the meaning of the word ÖZ in this dictionary page:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
You can also look up the meaning of the word OZ in this dictionary page:
OZ = Karşı karşıya = "face to face each other" and-or "front of or ahead another"
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Every word in Turkish has a root. These root words are usually monosyllabic. The meaning diversity of words expands depending on the root meaning. However, any addition to any root word cannot change the root word's semantic content.
If you want to look up the root meaning of the words OZ and ÖZ (or if you want to see the semantic content of any Turkish root word), the "Turkish Roots Dictionary" written by the linguist İsmet Zeki Eyüboğlu will be a good source of information.
Of course there are other sources as well. But don't get tired of look for these words on "google translate" because you can see their semantic content there partially, and real dictionaries have wider content.
See this "Turkish Roots Dictionary" source: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Some of what is shown as the meaning content of the word OZ in this dictionary are:
"OZ-, Antecedent voice A.
The word suffix denoting action is -mak.
Some meanings of the root word OZ: “to organize, to talk a lot, to tell a legend, to go ahead, to win in a race, to talk in vain, to put forward, to go forward.” Etc.
Here, the word OZ in particular has root meanings such as "to go forward", "to put forward", "to arrange", "to pass", "to go ahead (to get ahead)".
In this example, where we examine the content of "the face to face position", a drawing presents word overlap.
Many words in the Indo-European language also have more than one meaning. However, it is possible to see this event in a wider context in Turkish. Because the way the root words are born or created is often different. Based on this, meanings that seem contradictory or seem unrelated in any word are actually often born together in connection with each other.
If we give an example, it may be better understood why Turkish words can have very different meanings.
In order for you to understand this, you can visualize the imaginary example that I will talk about here now by empathizing. Although the evidence for when it first occurred is not in the hands of scientists, imagine the early days when the words of any language were born and humans began to speak.
Imagine the period when words in the language were just being born. Being in such a past tense, let's say you went into a cave for shelter on a rainy stormy day and we're looking outside from there. All of a sudden, a very powerful light appeared in the sky.
Then we heard a strong explosion sound. And then suppose we saw that lightning struck trees and deer, and perhaps a few of our close relatives, and that we saw them die or even burn with this blow. In that case, it is possible to interpret this event as a divine power.
In this case, everyone who witness this event at that moment is trying to imitate the sound made during the lightning strike as much as possible (as a reflection-sound (as a onomatopoetic words)) in order to remind each other of the event in the later time. Suppose this onomatopoetic imitation is made by witness with using the ÇAK (CHAK) sound.
Now this (ÇAK) is a root word. Can we just say that the meaning of this word means lightning only?
Everyone who witnessed the occurrence of the event will associate the phonetic value of that word every time this word is uttered after that day, by remembering every detail they have observed in the events experienced one by one.
In other words, the first people to use this word in the language will attribute all the events they observed to the lightning strike they witnessed by putting it into the meaning content.
So the word ÇAK for them is; shall mean "strong light, explosion, fire, smoke, flame, death, angle, burn, blow, arm of light, divine ray, divine punishment" etc.
Additions to this word in the future can only change this root meaning, but it does not destroy the root meaning content.
This is why the semantic content, which we see as unrelated today, occurs in languages based on root and word suffix relations.
In other words, this situation is not only valid for the Turkish language. But numerically, I can say that there are many more root words in this situation in Turkish. Of course, an onomatopoetic word can be in any language.
However, the Indo-European languages must have acquired the word structure and most of the words in the younger periods with their whole and developed and mostly polysyllabic phonetic structure. So logic tells us that this is very likely to have happened.
Of course, words weren't just born as onomatopoetic words. Some were created by humans at some time in the past. But while doing this, of course, it was done by making use of the onomatopoetic vocabulary of the previous period.
In fact, a certain part of the vocabulary in every language may have been created by people thinking and planning. These are the details that linguists put forward different ideas.
Sorry for my broken English.
Thank you for reading.