Calgary engineer believes he's cracked the mysterious Voynich Manuscript
(12-10-2021, 03:05 PM)Pardis Motiee wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(10-10-2021, 07:49 PM)Ahmet Ardıç wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.We read this plant name on page f101v1-102r2. I don't know, maybe I misspelled the page name

[I mean, there are two more places for this word You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. I believe many of the words are most likely not specific to a page. So, it must be checked whether this word emerged by chance or also works on other pages. The correctness of the meanings and their connection with the figures should be examined, so as not to waste a lot of time. It is a multi-branched path that can go astray without checkpoints.]

Hi Motiee,

Should we expect a word to occur only once in a 240-page manuscript? I don't think so, of course. The author was shows P/F sounds with a single sign, A/E sounds with another sign, and O/Ö sounds with another single sign, with the special alphabet she/he uses. Moreover, if the different spellings of the word have different equivalents in Turkish, then, of course, it should be expected that more than one reading of the written word is mentioned in this book with different meanings.

But now let's look at a sequence where the word you're pointing at appears on the other page where that word occurs. I am looking at this sequence of the words for the first time after your pointing here.
   
The reason I call it a string of words is because I don't know if it's a punctuation mark, so I'm in a hurry to call it a sentence. The words we will examine are:

The VM Text line in Latin.: 
ÖFLÖR/ÖFİLÖR       ÇSEĞN  ÇÖPLEĞN  DÖLGÖSÜ    DÖLÜ  ÇCSU     PÇCSÜ     ÇCSU    APOŞ

Let's combine some words split, and break down some of the combined words as well. And let's complete the abbreviations according to the Turkish vowel harmony rule and rewrite the 600 years old words in todays Turkey Turkish:

Öyfe+lör çisen (çiselenen) çöple (çöp ile) döl gözü dölleyicisi biçici (cerrah/cerrahı) çocuğu apoş ...

Here, if the word APOŞ is a noun, it is completed as a complete sentence and a whole sentence appears as an adjective of the person named APOŞ until the last word. But in addition to this, the word APOŞ also has a lexical meaning. The word APOŞ means "between the legs" (meaning the genitals). APOŞ, APIŞ ...etc. in Turkish language. There are various forms of pronunciation.
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We see "-ucu/-ici/-ücü-/-ıcı" end suffixes at the end of some words. These are the suffixes (-ci,-ci,-cu,-cü,-çı,-çi,-çu,-çu) that add meaning of profession/occupation to the words such as "banka-cı" (banker). And also, -ıcı/-ici/-ucu/-ücü suffixes are making nouns from verbs according to the words to which they are added, such as "kes-ici". It mean that, It works as a name for a cutting tool and also as a name/as an adjective for the person doing the cutting (meaning as "surgeon/the surgeon" and/or as like "the cutting person" or as "the ripper").

We do not show many Turkish words in dictionaries with these suffixes. We only show the meanings of root words and the suffix -mak in dictionaries. (We have explained the details of this and similar word suffixes in our English article on our own page, referring to the source books. You can look at it in more detail there.)

Since I mentioned the meaning content of the words ÖYFE and LÖR in my previous post, I will not go into the same details here. In my previous explanation, I also showed these words on the pages of the lexicons. What we need to remember is that these are two different plant names.

You can see the meaning content of the word ÇİSELENEN in dictionaries as ÇİSELENMEK. Here, the root word is ÇİSE-. We see this word in the root form in dictionaries. In addition, the meaning content is seen in dictionaries with the word suffix -mek in the form of ÇİSELEMEK. The suffix -LE-N in the word ÇİSE-LE-N-EN is one of the suffixes that make a verb from the noun. The suffix -EN at the end of the word adds adjective verb and/or aorist expression.
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The words "ÇÖPLE" and "ÇÖP İLE" are same think ant it mean "with a stick", "with a stick", "with the help of a stick", and "using a stick".
Here, the word "ÇÖP" is used in the sense of "handle piece" (tutmaç parçası) / (Source: Sözce / Divanü Lügati't-Türk /çöp anlamı; tutmaç parçası / ÇÖP: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. ).

İLE (-LE):  When it comes to the end of the word, it is a word that is used to make sentences that describe togetherness, togetherness, means, reason or situation. It can be used as a preposition and conjunction. İLE: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

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The words DÖLLEYİCİ / DÖLLEYİCİSİ means "the person who performs the insemination process".

The word GÖZ-Ü (I explained the function of the suffix -Ü) is written and explained in dictionaries in the form of GÖZ.
GÖZ: (compartment, orb, cubbyhole, peeper, eye, etc): You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

The word BİÇİCİ is also written as PİÇİCİ (reaper) with the very common B/P sound change. BİÇMEK/KESMEK is the form of the word that can be seen in dictionaries and is used here to mean "to cut". The suffix at the end of the word is the expression of profession. The word "BİÇİCİ/PİÇİCİ" means "the reaper/surgeon".
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The word written by the author as ÇCSU and/or ÇCK (meaning ÇUCU-SU/ÇUCUK-U/ ÇOCUĞU and/or ÇOCUK) is an abbreviation for "to the child / of the child / child". When this word is added to the previous word, it changes meaning like a word suffix. The word alone means "child". It is in the form of ÇUCUK and ÇOCUK in dictionaries. 

Note: This is not a complete sentence and continues to the next line. I added the phrases "-to-/-of-" so that the translation of this line into English can be understood. I will clarify these phrases (perhaps with the help of linguists) when the next line of the sentence is analyzed. For now, I just added them to show that the content is in Turkish.

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APOŞ can also be a noun. But it is not used here as a noun. For this reason, the sentence stretches towards the next line. So it is incomplete.

The meaning of the words read in English can be translated as follows like: 
"... by/using Öyfe+Lör drizzled hand-tool/stick, the surgeon inseminating to the uterus-hole to/of the child between the legs ........"

Here it appears that Öyfe and Lör plants were liquefied and sprinkled on the stick, which performs an insemination. In the next line, the rest of the sentence is written.

I will return to this page later in my spare time and complete the sentence.

In conclusion, what I have shown is that the same word (plant names) appears in the passage about describing a surgical procedure. Moreover, some words have not changed at all in 600 years, and the root phonetic values of others have not changed.

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RE: Calgary engineer believes he's cracked the mysterious Voynich Manuscript - by Ahmet Ardıç - 13-10-2021, 01:32 AM

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