08-10-2021, 12:25 AM
(This post was last modified: 08-10-2021, 09:07 AM by Ahmet Ardıç.)
[quote="cvetkakocj@rogers.com" pid='47504' dateline='1633639737']
Please calm down. You may have read what I wrote, but it is clear that you do not understand enough. How you can connect from one my comment to Mr. Zandbergen or any other person after my explanatory statement? There is no connection with this researchers in that way.
We wrote the ATA alphabet naming on our own page. I don't know how other people call it on other web pages. But we did not name the transcription as VM Turkish alphabet. For this reason, it is not for anyone to hold us accountable for a situation that has nothing to do with us. We did not use this name, but if you had to make an analogy, the Europeans should not have referred to it as European. Because there is no proven material evidence to say that the manuscript and the alphabet is of European origin. All these are just comments, ascriptions and personal opinions. With the naming of EVA, a perception has been created in people's consciousness, knowingly or unknowingly. This type of conditioning is just one of many small elements that lead to false inferences about writing.
I am not saying that these are done consciously, but I am saying that you or any other person should not look at their work with European-centered glasses only. There are many different examples of such approaches in Western history and linguistics articles published in many European and American Academies. My criticisms are not directed at any particular person. It is general. I'm talking about approaches that are often shown. There are numerous examples. It's a subject independent of the name of individual people.
I don't think there is any insult in my posts, but I may have expressed a certain sentence a bit rudely and I had already accepted this in my two page previous comment. I've already explained the purpose and to where I'm addressing that what might be seen as rude.
What is not understood for me is why did you try to connect this issue with other people by writing their names in your opinion. Here, I think it is not appropriate to set up this type of approach.
I respect every researcher who has worked on VM to this day. I don't think I have disrespected anyone. The names of Zandbergen and Bax and some other researchers are also mentioned in the book we have written, and we also refer to their work. And we respect their work too.
The EVA alphabet and others didn't work yet. It is not personal but it is technical issue. So, you can't connect any of my comment with those people.
Because there is no insult here in that point like what you think.
We present ATA alphabet transcription of Voynich manuscript with some readings. After a while, a university will come out and will announce about VM Turkish content with using ATA alphabet transcription for sure. There have already been an university dean and some Turkish language department professors who have personally made similar statements. We think that an official announcement will be made as a corporate when the time comes.
Of course, we will not give up on presenting scientific evidence just because you or someone else does not believe that there is Turkish language in the content of the writing.
I will not touch on the other issues you have written, because I have already made a statement about those details on various dates before.
Kind regards,
Notes:
Using statistics and math with grammar overlaps at the same time is important. Currently, Math also saying that "Turkish words are exists and recorded in VM texts". Please do not waste your energy to think of whether we will have difficulty in explaining 4000 words. It seems that we are likely to explain the remaining words in about next 23 years, in the same way and proportionally, as we read 700 words and 100 sentences in 8 years, if the author did not write in a mixed language.
Of course, this process will be accelerated if other researchers join our work using ATA transcription. Thus, even if there are words in another language in writing, it may be possible to find them collectively. After all, one of the reasons we make our comments here is to understand whether there are other participants who will speed up the process. But if you're so in love with your position that you keep forcing a lock that needs to be opened with the wrong key, just keep moving forward as you have done so far.
I understand that you don't understand how we analyze the word YARARSAM and its sentence. Of course, this must be due to the fact that probably I am not a good narrator personally.
So, knowing something is one thing, being able to tell someone else what you know is another. But as I mentioned before. I will show how the sentences coincide with the Turkish language, without haste and by presenting their scientific basis, with many examples many more time again and again for sure. If you want to look at those examples, it can help you understand the subject.
Thank you very much for the various examples you gave us about how we should do our job and statistical approach. However, I did not understand yet that how your explanations would be help us to read VM is not clear.
If you don't mind, please read the VM texts with using your reference method as you suggested to me here. And feel free to explain some full sentences with using any transcription in any languages to give complete examples. So next time, when I share a sentence reading from VM by using our ATA, please you also share one sentence reading by using your method, and maybe this correspondence will become more useful and enjoyable.
Thanks,
Please calm down. You may have read what I wrote, but it is clear that you do not understand enough. How you can connect from one my comment to Mr. Zandbergen or any other person after my explanatory statement? There is no connection with this researchers in that way.
We wrote the ATA alphabet naming on our own page. I don't know how other people call it on other web pages. But we did not name the transcription as VM Turkish alphabet. For this reason, it is not for anyone to hold us accountable for a situation that has nothing to do with us. We did not use this name, but if you had to make an analogy, the Europeans should not have referred to it as European. Because there is no proven material evidence to say that the manuscript and the alphabet is of European origin. All these are just comments, ascriptions and personal opinions. With the naming of EVA, a perception has been created in people's consciousness, knowingly or unknowingly. This type of conditioning is just one of many small elements that lead to false inferences about writing.
I am not saying that these are done consciously, but I am saying that you or any other person should not look at their work with European-centered glasses only. There are many different examples of such approaches in Western history and linguistics articles published in many European and American Academies. My criticisms are not directed at any particular person. It is general. I'm talking about approaches that are often shown. There are numerous examples. It's a subject independent of the name of individual people.
I don't think there is any insult in my posts, but I may have expressed a certain sentence a bit rudely and I had already accepted this in my two page previous comment. I've already explained the purpose and to where I'm addressing that what might be seen as rude.
What is not understood for me is why did you try to connect this issue with other people by writing their names in your opinion. Here, I think it is not appropriate to set up this type of approach.
I respect every researcher who has worked on VM to this day. I don't think I have disrespected anyone. The names of Zandbergen and Bax and some other researchers are also mentioned in the book we have written, and we also refer to their work. And we respect their work too.
The EVA alphabet and others didn't work yet. It is not personal but it is technical issue. So, you can't connect any of my comment with those people.
Because there is no insult here in that point like what you think.
We present ATA alphabet transcription of Voynich manuscript with some readings. After a while, a university will come out and will announce about VM Turkish content with using ATA alphabet transcription for sure. There have already been an university dean and some Turkish language department professors who have personally made similar statements. We think that an official announcement will be made as a corporate when the time comes.
Of course, we will not give up on presenting scientific evidence just because you or someone else does not believe that there is Turkish language in the content of the writing.
I will not touch on the other issues you have written, because I have already made a statement about those details on various dates before.
Kind regards,
Notes:
Using statistics and math with grammar overlaps at the same time is important. Currently, Math also saying that "Turkish words are exists and recorded in VM texts". Please do not waste your energy to think of whether we will have difficulty in explaining 4000 words. It seems that we are likely to explain the remaining words in about next 23 years, in the same way and proportionally, as we read 700 words and 100 sentences in 8 years, if the author did not write in a mixed language.
Of course, this process will be accelerated if other researchers join our work using ATA transcription. Thus, even if there are words in another language in writing, it may be possible to find them collectively. After all, one of the reasons we make our comments here is to understand whether there are other participants who will speed up the process. But if you're so in love with your position that you keep forcing a lock that needs to be opened with the wrong key, just keep moving forward as you have done so far.
I understand that you don't understand how we analyze the word YARARSAM and its sentence. Of course, this must be due to the fact that probably I am not a good narrator personally.
So, knowing something is one thing, being able to tell someone else what you know is another. But as I mentioned before. I will show how the sentences coincide with the Turkish language, without haste and by presenting their scientific basis, with many examples many more time again and again for sure. If you want to look at those examples, it can help you understand the subject.
Thank you very much for the various examples you gave us about how we should do our job and statistical approach. However, I did not understand yet that how your explanations would be help us to read VM is not clear.
If you don't mind, please read the VM texts with using your reference method as you suggested to me here. And feel free to explain some full sentences with using any transcription in any languages to give complete examples. So next time, when I share a sentence reading from VM by using our ATA, please you also share one sentence reading by using your method, and maybe this correspondence will become more useful and enjoyable.
Thanks,