06-10-2021, 08:35 AM
(This post was last modified: 06-10-2021, 12:43 PM by Ahmet Ardıç.)
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[Sneering that those who don't accept your theory have intellectual constipation, that linguists who don't accept it have mental problems, and that people here don't want to see the evidence is going to get you nowhere. It's sad because you started off with a lot of goodwill in this thread, which I've never seen any other theory get. Turkish was high up as a candidate language on some people's shortlists, and you came with at least initial support from Lisa Fagin Davies. But since then, everything has been a disappointment.]
Thank you for your criticism. Every criticism helps me draw certain conclusions.
I have not said this to any of the researchers in this group, including the person I answered. I don't want to be understood like that. However, if my writing is understood as an insult or disrespect, I apologize accordingly. I still haven't learned English well and I would like you to assume that I am not able to express my thoughts in English properly.
The part you quoted from my article should be considered more like a reaction. This reaction I usually expressed as belonging to people who, despite knowing Turkish well and working in the Turcology departments, were rude to us and trashed our study.
Of course, no one is compelled to look at our work and examine it deeply. Also, it is not necessary for those who view our comments or articles to know Turkish. However, if a person is a linguist and reads our article and who knowing Turkish as well, I do not think that this person has any scientific justification for rejecting the main findings. In this respect, I meant to say by analogy that they might be mentally constipated. Moreover, I think that it is necessary to use mathematics in linguistics. If you are a linguist and ignore the sound of math, then it is normal to be touchy about what I write.
When we announced our findings with a youtube video in 2018 and the subject was covered as news in a Canadian newspaper, Ms. Lisa Fagin Davis was the first academic to believe that our statements should be examined in detail by a Turkish linguist. We thanked her in the letter we wrote to her. In addition, we also expressed our gratitude to her in our book too. Ms Lisa Davis took her precious and probably limited time to read our article. We engage great importance to her experience. We tried to correct our article by paying attention to her suggestions. Because we were writing this type of article for the first time and her suggestions were very useful.
The fact that I share our comments and readings on this page should not mean that comments I am expressing what I have written for the members of this page. The Voynich ninja page also has outside readers.
When we released our first youtube video in 2018, we are receiving racist messages almost every week (and still at least once a week). Most of them contain insults and heavy profanity. All I do is delete the insulting comments (by looking at the comments several times a day) before my sons saw them. In fact, I think people's disrespectful behavior has alienated my sons from our team work.
Some of the Linguists working on the Turkish language also disrespected us without reading our article. Some said that if I will not study linguistics at an academy, they wouldn't look at our file. Some advised me to just do engineering without reading our papers. Insulting messages come from all over the world, including my country. I am deleting these messages from our page. Although I started a little late, I also collect screenshots of these insulting messages. Maybe I can publish a book of them in the future.
In 2018, one person (who trying to solve this mystery with you all) on the Voynich ninja page was also rude to us and our work. I mean, there are these types of people in every group.
However, different thoughts are wealth. Please don't be taken in person what I wrote before. Please no one get taken in person from that my comment. There are also followers outside the page who read these comments. Among them, if there are those who have insulted us or our work before, they can be taken from what we have written.
I apologize again to you and to those who think like you, for my misunderstanding due to not being able to express what I want to write correctly.
No one should insult anyone. Of course, the injustice, insults and racist behaviors done to us make me a little tired. I would like you to link my comments like this a little bit to my tiredness.
Kind regards,
Note:
* I only do these researches as a hobby when I have free time. My working style is to look at the original pages and write my notes with a pen on a paper. I look at the notes I wrote later and transfer them to my computer time by time. The raw notes that I have shared on our website are being shared to test the technical glitches on our web page. I have to correct the sentence analyzes in terms of spelling both in Turkish and English. But for linguists who speak Turkish, there is already enough information to enable them to see that the sentences are Turkish. I will transfer 100 different sentences that have been read to the computer when I find free time and share them on our page. I have shared one of these before on this page. As I upload the rest to my own page, I can choose some of them and share them here again. The number of sentences read will increase even more. The main problem that causes this number to not increase is due to the fact that we cannot find some words in dictionaries. But in order to overcome this problem, I read many academic articles and look for some words in them. The other serious problem stems from the fact that we have not yet been able to determine which dialect the author is using. We seek the support of Turkish-speaking linguists to overcome these problems, but their tendency is usually to underestimate a family project. For this reason, this process seems to take longer. We are not in a hurry anyway, because our working life is very busy in the current situation.
[Sneering that those who don't accept your theory have intellectual constipation, that linguists who don't accept it have mental problems, and that people here don't want to see the evidence is going to get you nowhere. It's sad because you started off with a lot of goodwill in this thread, which I've never seen any other theory get. Turkish was high up as a candidate language on some people's shortlists, and you came with at least initial support from Lisa Fagin Davies. But since then, everything has been a disappointment.]
Thank you for your criticism. Every criticism helps me draw certain conclusions.
I have not said this to any of the researchers in this group, including the person I answered. I don't want to be understood like that. However, if my writing is understood as an insult or disrespect, I apologize accordingly. I still haven't learned English well and I would like you to assume that I am not able to express my thoughts in English properly.
The part you quoted from my article should be considered more like a reaction. This reaction I usually expressed as belonging to people who, despite knowing Turkish well and working in the Turcology departments, were rude to us and trashed our study.
Of course, no one is compelled to look at our work and examine it deeply. Also, it is not necessary for those who view our comments or articles to know Turkish. However, if a person is a linguist and reads our article and who knowing Turkish as well, I do not think that this person has any scientific justification for rejecting the main findings. In this respect, I meant to say by analogy that they might be mentally constipated. Moreover, I think that it is necessary to use mathematics in linguistics. If you are a linguist and ignore the sound of math, then it is normal to be touchy about what I write.
When we announced our findings with a youtube video in 2018 and the subject was covered as news in a Canadian newspaper, Ms. Lisa Fagin Davis was the first academic to believe that our statements should be examined in detail by a Turkish linguist. We thanked her in the letter we wrote to her. In addition, we also expressed our gratitude to her in our book too. Ms Lisa Davis took her precious and probably limited time to read our article. We engage great importance to her experience. We tried to correct our article by paying attention to her suggestions. Because we were writing this type of article for the first time and her suggestions were very useful.
The fact that I share our comments and readings on this page should not mean that comments I am expressing what I have written for the members of this page. The Voynich ninja page also has outside readers.
When we released our first youtube video in 2018, we are receiving racist messages almost every week (and still at least once a week). Most of them contain insults and heavy profanity. All I do is delete the insulting comments (by looking at the comments several times a day) before my sons saw them. In fact, I think people's disrespectful behavior has alienated my sons from our team work.
Some of the Linguists working on the Turkish language also disrespected us without reading our article. Some said that if I will not study linguistics at an academy, they wouldn't look at our file. Some advised me to just do engineering without reading our papers. Insulting messages come from all over the world, including my country. I am deleting these messages from our page. Although I started a little late, I also collect screenshots of these insulting messages. Maybe I can publish a book of them in the future.
In 2018, one person (who trying to solve this mystery with you all) on the Voynich ninja page was also rude to us and our work. I mean, there are these types of people in every group.
However, different thoughts are wealth. Please don't be taken in person what I wrote before. Please no one get taken in person from that my comment. There are also followers outside the page who read these comments. Among them, if there are those who have insulted us or our work before, they can be taken from what we have written.
I apologize again to you and to those who think like you, for my misunderstanding due to not being able to express what I want to write correctly.
No one should insult anyone. Of course, the injustice, insults and racist behaviors done to us make me a little tired. I would like you to link my comments like this a little bit to my tiredness.
Kind regards,
Note:
* I only do these researches as a hobby when I have free time. My working style is to look at the original pages and write my notes with a pen on a paper. I look at the notes I wrote later and transfer them to my computer time by time. The raw notes that I have shared on our website are being shared to test the technical glitches on our web page. I have to correct the sentence analyzes in terms of spelling both in Turkish and English. But for linguists who speak Turkish, there is already enough information to enable them to see that the sentences are Turkish. I will transfer 100 different sentences that have been read to the computer when I find free time and share them on our page. I have shared one of these before on this page. As I upload the rest to my own page, I can choose some of them and share them here again. The number of sentences read will increase even more. The main problem that causes this number to not increase is due to the fact that we cannot find some words in dictionaries. But in order to overcome this problem, I read many academic articles and look for some words in them. The other serious problem stems from the fact that we have not yet been able to determine which dialect the author is using. We seek the support of Turkish-speaking linguists to overcome these problems, but their tendency is usually to underestimate a family project. For this reason, this process seems to take longer. We are not in a hurry anyway, because our working life is very busy in the current situation.