Cvetka's Slovenian Theory Thread
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(06-10-2021, 01:08 AM)Battler wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Also, "ldi" for "ljudi" is specifically the Ljubljana dialect, and at that, the modern Ljubljana dialect. I'm not sure that form existed at all in the 15th century. Granted, Stična is from near Ljubljana, so at least geographically it makes sense. Though it has to be considered that, Ljubljana being a major Urban center, it was likely subject to very rapid language change, so who knows how the Ljubljana dialect of the 15th century even sounded.
 I had not lived in Slovenia for fifty years so I am not aware that the youth in Ljubljana had adopted this 'pudgurski' speeč, spoken in my youth, and even before me for hundreds of years. 
You say, there is no Slovenian suffix -or, how about major, kolodvor, zapor, odpor, napor, prapor .... I don't think Slovenians used the word DARITELJ in the 15th century, so the foreign writer who wrote VM, would have to invent the word for the one who gives offering from the word DAR. 
The imperative for DAJ was most likely DJ which a foreign writer would write as DY, because J was not yet in use. The vowes in such phonetic words were inserted later.  There were no books written in Slovenian before the VM, and the Stična Codex was certainly not in public display.  No peasant in Dolenjska would even today say DAJ.
As for the Venetic transcriptions: I have read several books, particularly those written by A. Ambrozic, while I was the editor of the Slovenian Canadian publications. He never stated that Venetic language was modern Slovenian; he claimed that it was common pre-Slavic, pre-German, pre-Roman language. I am not discussing Venetic language, but the medieval Slovenian language, which was close enough to Czeck, so that I could understand most of the manuscript, written in Czeck in the middle of 15th century.  There is a lot that there that could help me understand certain things in the VM, that for today sound strange, like the absence of letter G.
Now that more European manuscripts are available in digitalized form, I was able to find most VM letters in them, except for the four tall ones: K and T have different shape, and the other two stand for SV, ZV and CV. The pronunciation of those three by-glyphs was not that clear and the author of the VM used his 'invented' letters interchangeably. 
 Also, in those manuscripts, certain letters are connected at the top (which comes to the middle of the tall glyphs), so that they look like VM strike-through ligatures.
I can also tell you that besides similar script, the VM shares the philosophy of those alchemical Housebuchs, particularly Heinrich of Laufenburg, which take holistic approach to health and interpret Zodiac signs in a way that overlays Christianity on top of ancient myths.
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RE: Cvetka's Theory Thread - by tavie - 03-12-2025, 01:11 PM
RE: Cvetka's Slovenian Theory Thread - by Typpi - 06-02-2026, 10:48 AM
RE: Cvetka's Slovenian Theory Thread - by Rafal - 10-07-2026, 01:52 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory threadp - by Koen G - 26-08-2021, 07:59 AM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by Koen G - 27-08-2021, 02:03 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by Koen G - 27-08-2021, 04:15 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by tavie - 28-08-2021, 01:36 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by R. Sale - 28-08-2021, 07:20 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by MarcoP - 29-08-2021, 09:45 AM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by tavie - 29-08-2021, 04:26 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by tavie - 29-08-2021, 04:50 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by tavie - 29-08-2021, 05:02 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by Battler - 06-10-2021, 01:08 AM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by cvetkakocj@rogers.com - 06-10-2021, 03:24 AM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by nablator - 19-06-2023, 09:55 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by nablator - 27-04-2024, 07:18 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by nablator - 27-04-2024, 08:59 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by nablator - 30-04-2024, 04:24 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by nablator - 30-04-2024, 05:38 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by nablator - 21-06-2024, 10:00 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by Koen G - 21-06-2024, 10:04 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by nablator - 21-06-2024, 10:29 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by nablator - 20-07-2024, 12:50 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by ReneZ - 20-07-2024, 01:57 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by Rafal - 20-07-2024, 03:28 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by nablator - 21-07-2024, 02:28 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by Rafal - 21-07-2024, 03:45 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by R. Sale - 21-07-2024, 05:15 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by nablator - 21-07-2024, 10:25 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by Battler - 26-09-2024, 05:45 AM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by Battler - 29-09-2024, 04:13 AM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by Koen G - 29-09-2024, 09:44 AM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by Battler - 29-09-2024, 10:26 AM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by Koen G - 29-09-2024, 10:32 AM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by ReneZ - 01-10-2024, 08:26 AM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by bt2901 - 04-02-2025, 11:26 AM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory thread - by ReneZ - 04-02-2025, 01:31 PM
RE: [split] Cvetka's theory threadp - by VoyBear - 24-03-2025, 04:51 PM

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