Cvetka's Slovenian Theory Thread

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Somebody who is not familiar with Slavic language, would have hard time understanding how one sentence can have a string of EVA 'dy' endings

The best way to help us understand is sharing some actual evidence; in this way, things can also be kept short and clear. In Takahashi's EVA transliteration I find two 10-word long -dy sequences:


You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. lines 38/39 qokeedy qokeedy qokedy qokedy qokeedy ldy / yshedy qokeedy qokchdy olkeedy



You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. lines 14/15 cheedy otedy cthedy otedy qoteedy shcthedy qoeekeedy deedy / tchedy lsheedy


Could you please show images of the longest similar sequences you have seen in Slovenian manuscripts?

 
Marko, I know it would be most simple to copy a sentence from Slovenian manuscript and compare it to this line, however this is not possible, becaus the subject matter is different. The Stična Codex consists only of three pages - a formula for a public confession and two songs that were used in Slavic liturgy. That was about the only Slovenian part in the Latin mass, the rest was in Latin and sermons in German. I am still building my Voynich-like vocabulary from the 16th century, when the words were first used in the books by the Protestant writers, and any other sources I can get. The SC was useful to me mostly to develop the alphabet, to see how the minims were used and how archaic Slovenian language was at that time.
As far as I know, there has not been any transliteration from Old Church Slavonic to Latin letters, and even in Croatian sources, I was only able to find transliteration of the Rules of St. Benedict, which Carthusians also used. In that particular document I noticed the R being separated, and many missing vowels. This was also problematic for the Slovenian writers of the 16th century who insisted the vowels should always be used instead of phonetic semivowel. 
I just recently obtained a scanned copy of a manuscript in Czeck from the mid-15th century, and I am sure I would find more comparable words.
Now, to answer your question about the strings of the same ending. A comma between them would be the most obvious solution. However, I also always look for all other possibilities.
When I see a string words with the same one- or two-word ending, my immediate assumption is that either nouns or verbs are repeated.
The Slovenian ending -DY in the VM is not specified, since Y is used for either 'i' or 'y' at the end of the words (Slovenian alphabet has no Y letter, although in the Middle ages was still quite often used.) As a matter of fact, in the Latin manuscript written in Slovenia in 1440 that I just recently found, two different shapes of Y are used, one exactly like VM 9).
Later, From DY eventually the word DEJ was formed, which was eventually changed to contemporary DAJ (meaning - you give!). Many Slovenian verbs, formed from nouns, would start as a combination of a noun + dej, and in some cases, the two forms have been in use until the present time, something like English 'look' and 'take a look'.
DI is also ending of some verbs, 3. pers. singualar, when the root word ends with D, like in the word KADI , HUDI , HODI. 
DI is also the ending of some Slovenian nouns, such as LUDI - people.


There are also some words that end with DI, such as TUDI (also)

Since I cannot provide you with a string of such words for the reasons above, I will try to explain them. 

Now, let me try to explain the VM quotations you chose:
f75r lines 38/39 qokeedy qokeedy qokedy qokedy qokeedy ldy / yshedy qokeedy qokchdy olkeedy

Like Petersen, I read Q as P. This is totally in agreement with Slovenian language which does not have the letter Q. In some medieval words it was still occasionally used, but was dropped by the 16th century.
In the first two words, the 'ee' seems to stand for 'u'. This would be Croatian word KUDI  which means scold, criticize, condemn; in archaic Calvinism, it also means a person who is not elect, but condemned (My presumed author had some connections with Valdensians, the forerunners of Calvinism). The word KUDI has an equivalent in Slovenian, which is spelled HUDI (angry, evil), because both words were spelled in Italian as CUDI. To add to the complication, the Czeck word KUDI means where, which has an equivalent in Slovenian as KOD or KODI.
In the third word, it is not clear if it should be read as POKODY.   
Next word could be transliterated as POKEDY or as Y POKEDY. 

The last two words in this line are: POKUDI LDY, which in Slovenian would mean 'criticize people' or 'scold people'. The word LDY is definitely in the accusative case.

There are too many words that could have different meaning. POKEDY could mean in dialectical 'smoke', 'bless'. The KEDY could mean 'when', and POKEDY could also stand for the word POGLEDI since GL sounds like G and there is no clear G letter in the VM, as Tim King and his team also observed.


The string of the endings DY in Slovenian language is quite possible. Since the personal pronoun is indicated by the verbal ending, the sentence would have subject, object and verb. It is also possible that the verb and object have the same ending.




f76v lines 14/15 cheedy otedy cthedy otedy qoteedy shcthedy qoeekeedy deedy / tchedy lsheedy

My transliteration: čudy otedy ct/e/dy otedy pokudy poukudy dudy