29-06-2021, 08:59 PM
(28-06-2021, 08:36 PM)Koen G wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Both Searcher and Diane placed north at the top right though, which is where I disagree. There are forms of the sky in many if not all the rosettes, so the mere presence of a sky cannot be an indication of north. The spiral, too, would be a strange way of representing the north pole, since the heavens turn like a wheel, they don't spiral inward (unless you fancy a black hole or something).
Unfortunately, I haven't seen manuscript depicting a circular movement in the form of a spiral, so I'll always be glad to any finds. I know that the rotation of the world was usually depicted then as a wheel with levers, echoing with the wheel of Fortune, and in astrological writings - as a series of eight concentric circles. But if the spiral shape is not a circular motion, then what? What can the spiral-shaped inscription among the depicted stars mean? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. that appear in the sky with the appearance of God and in several other episodes, but they are accompanied by many other details, moreover, this partl of the rosette is also not very similar to a whirlwind. The mentioned episodes from the Bible are rarely depicted in manuscripts, and I haven't seen images of the appearance of God on a chariot from a whirlwind in the form of a spiral. The only thing I stumbled upon was the mention of the "darkness coiling in sinuous folds" in the hermetic text "Poimandres":
4. E'en with these words His aspect changed, and straightway, in the twinkling of an eye, all things were opened to me, and I see a Vision limitless, all things turned into Light - sweet, joyous [Light]. And I became transported as I gazed.But in a little while Darkness came settling down on part [of it], awesome and gloomy, coiling in sinuous folds, so that methought it like unto a snake.
And then the Darkness changed into some sort of a Moist Nature, tossed about beyond all power of words, belching out smoke as from a fire, and groaning forth a wailing sound that beggars all description. ( You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(The vision of creation))
The Corpus Hermeticum, though, is a little late for the VMs parchment. As a possibility, the Creation was described similarly somewhere else. Anyway, perhaps the spiral rather concerns creation, not just circular motion.
Quote:As far as I know, the emblem of this rosette is not yet understood, but it seems to point towards the general sphere of constellations/navigation. Inside is something like a constellation symbol, and the circle has eight subdivisions like a compass rose.As a contrargument I would say that it doesn't look like a usual compass, and the strokes-subdivisions can be just decorative or just iterate the eight outer rosettes. Anyway, if it is a compass, why should it mean that its placing is the North? Doesn't the needle show the direction?
Therefore I would say this is north, and continuing clockwise east, south and west.

