07-08-2020, 01:21 PM
(07-08-2020, 12:35 AM)-JKP- wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Ahmet Ardıç wrote:Moreover, just like in modern Turkish, this word appears in VMS as both an independent word and as a word suffix. So, in this point, the overlap between Turkish and VMS is very clear. All I can tell you is that the word is not used in the same meaning, or in the same function with all of these repetitions in VMS.
I notice that you emphasized this three times.
This overlap happens in many languages. There are numerous suffixes that can also stand as words. Depending on the language, patterns like -ham -burg -mont -ten -man -ton function both as suffixes and as individual words, so this characteristic is not specific to Turkish.
Yes, what you wrote is correct. I understand the subject you are marking attention to. Thank you for mentioning this issue to have the opportunity to think in detail about this subject.
If you allow me, I will ask you some questions. On this occasion, we can perhaps better see whether the two compared situations are indeed comparable on the same scales. At the same time, I will give clear samples here over VMS to make this subject more understandable.
Do you think that the abundance of agglutinative/Turkish word affixes and PIE languages can be compared in this issue? Do you think that the frequency or numerical variation of the word-affixes in a language (with an agglutinative structure) can be compared with languages such as English or German? In my previous comment, I explained the example I mentioned specifically for the question you asked about a single word suffix (-SAM / SAM (sağn) and the various variation readings I gave as an example). However, do not think that there is no similar situation in most of the other word affixes in terms of usage-variety in Turkish.
So you are saying there are also word-affixes in English can be seen as a word. I say that Turkish is a language built only on variations of combinations of connected-words and word affixes. So it's an agglutinative language. How can we compare? I don't think it makes sense to say that like "this is exist in English or German too". Of course there is. There are word affixes in both languages. But one is structurally based entirely on linking word-affixes and full of connected-root words and suffixes.
For example, I can take the suffix -SAĞN (sağın) at the end of the word YARARSAĞN (which is the first word of f-33v) and I can use it to create as the repeating words like 'SAĞN SAĞN' and which is working in Turkish {for example this example can be seen as SAĞN SAĞN (or SAM SAM) in the 2th line of f-100r in VMS},
likewise, can you make same think in English and use '-ing' suffix as like 'ing ing' in English? Does it make sense? I know it makes no sense to ask this question. However, if you apply specific examples to both languages you compare, the result may be more enlightening.
Please feel free to make same think in English with using any word suffixes. After than, I can give more similar examples from Turkish and from VMS, after than may be you want to continue to give more similar examples from English again. At the end, let's see in which language variety of samples will be match with the VMS?
It doesn't matter if something is available in both languages. However, frequency of use and numerical diversity are also expected to overlap.
If so, please I expect you to give a similar example right now. Please show me the English 'ing ing' repetition or any word-suffix repetition since time when English language known existed in History.
Anyway, I appreciate your questioning effort. Because the subject will be more understandable if we can discuss on some specific issues, as we did here, through examples. For this reason, thank you for your comment and for your attention about this issue.
Best regards,
