01-08-2020, 01:56 PM
(01-08-2020, 05:52 AM)MarcoP wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I am particularly obsessed by parallels and good parallels for features in the VMS are often impossible to find.
But in this case You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. pointed out a great one: the alchemical herbal Vicenza Bertoliana MS 362 (sample page from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.).
I believe this particular piece of evidence adds immensely to the relevance of this detail. The parallel with the Vicenza ms was also published by Alain Touwaide in his 2015 paper "L'Erbario Voynich".
- The same word ("rot")
- In a similar manuscript (a one-plant-per-page herbal)
- In a similar position (annotating the plant illustration)
- From the same time-frame (XV Century)
Moreover, the Vicenza ms contains other annotations that can be compared with the VMS: for instance 'g' for 'grün' inside green-painted leaves (see Rene's post I linked above).
I think this parallels have several possible implication:
- at least some members of the team that created the VMS spoke German;
- they were aware of this style of colour annotations;
But of course this evidence does not rule out the possibility that the underlying language of the main text is Turkic (though it certainly does nothing to support the idea).
- they were probably familiar with the "alchemical" one-plant-per-page layout.
Hi,
The last letter of the words you compare is different. Also, there are 3 letters in one and the other is 4. They seem to be similar at first glance, these are different words. The word written on the plant stalk on the VMS You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. page consists of 4 letters. The three letters at the end are read as "-ORI". If we read the first letter in different words in a sentence, we can add it to transcription. This letter appears in very few pages in VMS. The letter resembles the ER tamga sign. Fakar is probably one of the derivative voices that have a vowel next to the 'B' sound. So there should be a syllable sign. It could possibly sound 'BA' or 'BI'. So this word probably can be read as BAORI or BIORI.
If we find many other words and sentences with the same letter, I can make a clearer conclusion. Just after that I can add this letter to our alphabet transcription too.
The '-I' sound at the end of the word is the word suffix.
“-I” / “-U” is an object specifier suffix. The object specifier is a form of suffix which is governed by the vowel harmony rules: “-I, -İ, -U, -Ü” are used with root nouns which end in a consonant, or used with extended (already suffixed) nouns which end with a consonant. (Direct Object Pointer suffixes “-I, -İ, -U, -Ü”)
This word now lives in some Turkish language dialects as the barı (bar-ı). In plant science, there is a value of 'giving a bar' (bar vermek), which is mostly used in the sense of giving fruit, fruit, and growing a new branch from the plant. It is quite possible that this word was used to mean 'sapling' in the Azerbaijani Turkish language sub-dialects. In other words, the word the author probably wrote in the form of BAORI or BIORI is the word BARI and means "the sapling". (I also think that the word 'sapling' in English is a loan derivative of the word SAP from the Pre-Turkish language/)
[See SAP (Güncel Türkçe Sözlük, sap anlamı: 1. Bitkinin dal, yaprak, çiçek vb. bölümlerini taşıyan, ağaçlarda odunlaşarak gövde durumunu alan bölüm. 2. Çiçek veya meyveyi dala bağlayan ince bölüm, sak > 1. The part of the plant that carries the branches, leaves, flowers, etc., which gets the body status by wooding in the trees. 2. The thin part that binds the flower or fruit to the branch, sak>) SAP > <https://sozce.com/nedir/271881-sap>]
[BAR: <https://www.azleks.az/online-dictionary/bar>]
[BARLI: <https://www.azleks.az/online-dictionary/barl%C4%B1>]
On the f-4r page in VMS, the first word of the eighth line is written as ÇNOR.
If the author wrote this word today, he would use one of the words ÇA+NOR, ÇA+NAR, ÇAA+NAR, ÇAĞA+NAR, ÇAA+NOR in different dialects. These words are not written as compound words today. This was written as a compound word in VMS.
Ç+ NOR / Ça + Nar / Çaa + NAR / Çağa + NAR
NAR (POMEGRANATE)
The words ÇA / ÇAA / ÇAĞA means 'baby' and 'child'. So it says 'baby pomegranate' here.
The word is used in 'NAR' phonetic format in Anatolian dialects. Today, in some Önbek-Turkish dialects, the same word is voiced as NOR.
[See: ça anlamı > Bebek, çocuk (baby, child) <https://sozce.com/nedir/67379-ca>]
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[See: çaa anlamı > Bebek Çocuk (baby, child)<https://sozce.com/nedir/67381-caa>]
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[See: Çağa anlamı > Bebek Çocuk (baby, child) <https://sozce.com/nedir/67615-caga>]
[NAR (pomegranate) <https://sozce.com/nedir/234491-nar>]
Thanks,
Ahmet Ardıç
ATA Team Alberta
